The Raceland Vs BMC

  1. #1
    Im not in the market for one so not looking to be advised on a purchase. But I see this question asked all the time. Earlier this year everyone would reccomend the Raceland, but now everyone has been reccomending the BMC...I aint been overly active in these sections for a good few months, so has there been some new evidence showing the BMC to be better than the Raceland with green filter now?

    I know the gains from these will be very minimal on any engine, so not a crucial decission for poeple, but every little helps.

    There was some threads with gains on the BMC and the raceland showing the raceland with more gains, cant find these now though with the hundreds of threads about these kits now though.

    I cant see how the BMC would have any advantage over the raceland apart from looks, quality and fitting.

    The BMC seems so restrictive with just that fairly small hole in front of it, adding a cold air feed will help alot but then what about the surface area of the BMC filter...it dosent seem like the velocity of the air going round the filter will be that great? Obviously I havnt got any hard proof of this so just guess work....Not a carbon enclosure so im aware however there was a special or limited edition one that was made of carbon fibre, and therefore has the increased heat soak reduction?

    However the raceland, has more of an open front scooping air stright from the cold air feed hold in the slam panal and therefore more free flowing air and not as restrictive as the BMC. Surface area of the raceland is also increased aint it? and the air forced to the filter and into the filter rather than around it? Build quality and fitment isnt as good but not hard to sort out at all. Also not real carbon fibre and being almost directly above the manifold will suffer from more heatsoak than the BMC but will gain from having the cold air entry to the enclosure than the BMC sucking air from the engine bay without a cold air feed. Also my mate got a 6bhp gain on the raceland from mapping at chipwizards by cutting holes in the top of the raceland scoop, so if that makes so much difference the BMC must be really insufficient?

    Then you have the standard air feed and filter system which is quite hard to beat for its efficiency of getting cold air in and giving good power figures. With the small cold air feed on this working so well it makes my arguement for the BMC's restriction more invalid?

    So has anyone got any detailed thoughts on this, or any RR proof of which is better. Might help a few poeple out that care a little more than looks and are after every single bit of power for the small time £.
  2. #2
    Ok here is my small input :

    I have the standard raceland red filter fitted to a VTS with only a decat.

    I reckon the car lost power at the very top end ( or it felt like it did after fitting it ) However the car felt it had more torque/power throughout below 6000 rpm.

    As for heat soak My plastic shrouding is starting to deform from the heat of the manifold. The bottom of my plastic shrouding sits on top of the radiator.

    Also found some info on the Racelands with the Green K2.65 filter fitted seems only good for 178 bhp max,

    http://www.greenfilters.com/ under universal cylidrical filters

    However On my XR2 an ITG Foam filter added 12BHP more than standard at max revs

    The K & N 57i Relocation Kit fitted to my 309 1.9 GTI Lost 3 bhp at top end , but added 10 BHP average at 3000 to 5000 RPM Had the car rollered before the kit , then fitted the kit & rollered again same day. It had a cold air feed, when clean exhaust went white, when dirty exhaust went black
  3. #3


    Been covered many times.
    Would have expected more from you db.
  4. #4
    Good input mate, if we could get a few more posts like this, rather than just Raceland sounded better n 'felt' better. Would be good

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aly View Post
    Been covered many times.
    Would have expected more from you db.
    I know I know lol, but theyre all basic questions with basic answers. This one for a more techical discussion on it I guess. Im interested in it, but not going to get either lol
  5. #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by aly View Post

    would have expected more from you db.

    really?!
  6. #6
    good thread db
  7. #7
    im sick of answering this nearly every week....
    1 user thanked this post:
  8. #8
    Ok,
    Why does one quote say Aly and the other aly?
    hmmm
  9. #9
    Lulz, SachsP fault there Aly, i mashed the quote button yes i did

    if it chooses to demote your upper case A then far be it from me to stop it


    (its actually the uppercase spam filter shizzle, i actually typed really all in upper)
  10. #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by scholesyy View Post
    im sick of answering this nearly every week....
    After a quick look through your posts on this subject on other threads im not that interested which you think sounds better, looks better or which fit is better or what you THINK about the size of the hole in the slam panal.

    Intelligent discussion here with facts anf figures not noob discussion mate
  11. #11
    See now this would be a good thing for the tech section that is needed. Just facts and figures so people can refer to it and get ANSWERS.
  12. #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by scholesyy View Post
    im sick of answering this nearly every week....
    We need a database of power runs, sg . what rollers , day temp, mods , milage, fuel etc.

    I have been searching all fucking night for info on effects of fuel pressure regs after reading in traders area (injectortune) says a 4 bar one add power & cleaning injectors makes the car quicker.

    I have been through all this shit 15 years ago when we used to do allsorts trying to extract more power from 1.9 gti's

    We cleaned the injectors, fitted fse valves, exhausts, bbr chips etc etc

    we managed to add very fucking little top end power,

    We only ever found 2 mods which added descent performance, bending the spring in the distributor so the car ran more advance on super & a 57i Kit
  13. #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Euro Performance
    . Thanks to the dynamic air intake you have a "supercharging" type system that conveys cold air at a speed and capacity much bigger than with traditional systems. The airflow entering through the dynamic intake is still further accelerated due to the conical flow variator inside the carbon dynamic air box
    Whereas im guessing the raceland is like have an open cone with a heat cover?

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jonathon5 View Post
    We need a database of power runs, sg . what rollers , day temp, mods , milage, fuel etc.

    I have been searching all fucking night for info on effects of fuel pressure regs after reading in traders area (injectortune) says a 4 bar one add power & cleaning injectors makes the car quicker.

    I have been through all this shit 15 years ago when we used to do allsorts trying to extract more power from 1.9 gti's

    We cleaned the injectors, fitted fse valves, exhausts, bbr chips etc etc

    we managed to add very fucking little top end power,

    We only ever found 2 mods which added descent performance, bending the spring in the distributor so the car ran more advance on super & a 57i Kit
    YES YES YES
  14. #14
    Well I found the raceland ok, but it's not getting allot of air as the slam pannel covers everything...

    I have a BMC now and cut my slam pannel but this was done after engine whent bang, but I will find out once cars back on the road if it feels better, and hopefully will, Ive got the limited edition bmc not sure if every bmc was carbon fibre but this is, so should stop heatsoak aswell which my raceland got allot of ( even burn marks on the raceland to prove :c )
  15. #15
    I have a BMC i noticed it rev'd more freely after i put it on compared to the standard system but i had serviced the car at same time as putting it on so not really sure if thats a gain from filter or from the service tbh. I havnt put a cold air feed on it yet though cant really find anywhere suitable to run it on a Mk2! i imagine they would be better on a Mk1 as you could have the feed coming through morrette headlights. Raceland in theory looks a better setup tbh its just a shame the build quality is shite......
  16. #16
    It would be interesting to have a BMC and raceland RR'd a couple of times on the same car then seeing if a Raceland setup like on gsavill90's car would be any better with an Air feed on the underside...
    Link to his progress...
  17. #17
    I have a BMC i bought a while back, i drove my car to meet matt-vtr who i bought it off to fit it, then drove it back and i noticed straight away, a nice louder but not horrendous induction noise and instantly better response from the throttle, also acceleration seemed to be a little quicker. Only thing i know about the raceland is heard its poor quality. Personaly id pay for the BMC.
  18. #18
    Better link to the setup mentioned above LINK
  19. #19
    hmmm procomp for me