Gearbox leak problem Hole in the box :(

1. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

   #1 2nd October 2010, 10:18

   Had abit of bad luck with the car yesterday which after not using for 6 weeks and only taxing it today, all gearbox oil leaked out for some reason, mate reckons it maybe gearbox off job Leaked out from bell housing i think but not had proper look yet but going to get it jacked up today.
   
   Any ideas why its just leaked out???
2. user_31895 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Milton Keynes Posts: 601 Polar white VTS Fixed for the 2nd time!

   #2 2nd October 2010, 10:29

   yeh you wana have a look if its come from the bell housing- clutch could have been contaminted!
3. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

   #3 8th October 2010, 14:56

   Had a look today and it seems to be coming from bell housing. I filled box up with half a litre and it doesnt seem to be coming from the driveshafts so think box is going to have to come off.
4. Howard-H Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 10

   #4 19th October 2010, 19:23

   Drive shaft bearing /seal.
   
   Pull the drain plug for bits...
   
   Just been there....
5. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #5 19th October 2010, 19:48

   100% box off if leaking badly, and it isn't the driveshaft seals.
   
   Not too hard a job to split the casing and re-seal it. Probably around £25 in consumables/parts from Citroen to do the job.
6. stroutsy Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Deal, kent Posts: 625 saxo vee tea are

   #6 19th October 2010, 19:49

   cv boot
7. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #7 19th October 2010, 19:54

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stroutsy cv boot

   I'm hoping jsdvtr knows the difference between cv grease and gearbox oil ?
   
   the smell should give it away !
   
   Just another thought - you haven't overfilled the gearbox and it's spitting it out the breather for some reason and dripping down making it look like it's leaking ?
8. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #8 19th October 2010, 20:29

   if its coming out of the bellhousing then surely its more likely to be the gearbox input seal?
9. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #9 19th October 2010, 20:33

   I presume he means in-between the end casing and bellhousing case?
   
   If it is from the end that's engine side of the bellhousing then I'd agree with it being input shaft seal - around £12 for a new one from Citroen and 2mins to replace with the box off the car
10. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #10 19th October 2010, 20:38

    if it is the input seal i urge you to follow raunchz advice, the non genuine ones you can get and press into the guide sleeve are a very poor fit, i used one last week and never again!

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11. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #11 19th October 2010, 21:06

    If it's one thing I learnt playing with saxo's for a good 5years+ - it's to use Citroen parts as much as possible/you can afford
    
    Non-gen parts can end up causing you more trouble!
12. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #12 19th October 2010, 21:07

    wait until you experience non-gen land rover parts lol, cheap for a reason springs to mind
13. Gaz_5103 L-plater Joined: Mar 2010 Newtownabbey, Co Antrim Posts: 95 Focus ST-3 Saxo VTS Race Car

    #13 19th October 2010, 22:39

    Are driveshaft seals hard to replace on vtr box?
14. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #14 19th October 2010, 22:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gaz_5103 Are driveshaft seals hard to replace on vtr box?

    not really, undo bottom balljoint,pull shaft out of box,replace seal,refit shaft,top up oil, drive away
15. Howard-H Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 10

    #15 23rd October 2010, 16:41

    If the drive shaft bearing has gone...your transmission drain plug may look like this...
    
    
16. wesley-saxo Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2010 portsmouth Posts: 796 corsa sxi saxo

    #16 24th October 2010, 21:06

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    is this on the side on the gear box??
17. Howard-H Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 10

    #17 27th October 2010, 13:42

    Yup! Trans Drain Plug...came out like a Christmas tree...
18. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #18 27th October 2010, 14:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz I presume he means in-between the end casing and bellhousing case? If it is from the end that's engine side of the bellhousing then I'd agree with it being input shaft seal - around £12 for a new one from Citroen and 2mins to replace with the box off the car

    Yes its coming out from the bellhousing, i thought it may have been leaking from where driveshaft fits into at back and dripped down but nope. So it should just be input shaft seal? may have too get one ordered from citroen later then.
19. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #19 27th October 2010, 14:39

    Also im guessing the seal for the rallye box would be the same as any other MA box?
20. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #20 27th October 2010, 16:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsdvtr Yes its coming out from the bellhousing, i thought it may have been leaking from where driveshaft fits into at back and dripped down but nope. So it should just be input shaft seal? may have too get one ordered from citroen later then.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsdvtr Also im guessing the seal for the rallye box would be the same as any other MA box?

    So it's leaking from where the clutch is? As opposed to the leak being inbetween the two halves of the gearbox casing?
    
    Yeh, they are the same - around £12 from memory.
21. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #21 27th October 2010, 19:01

    Ye its from where it joins to the engine. I went to citroen earlier and said theres 2 different ones and are different prices. One was about £6.50+vat other £10+vat
22. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #22 2nd November 2010, 11:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Howard-H If the drive shaft bearing has gone...your transmission drain plug may look like this...

    Its the same as this? What needs replacing?
23. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #23 2nd November 2010, 12:09

    if the drain plug looks like this then the box needs splitting and a bit of investigation carrying out,could be any bearing/broken gear/synchro thats stuck to it
24. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #24 2nd November 2010, 13:48

    Theres a small hole on the inside part of box, so for the time being going to get a vtr box for £20 off someone i know just to get car on road again.
25. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #25 2nd November 2010, 14:30

    
    
26. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #26 2nd November 2010, 17:20

    that'll be buggered then, diff has tried to say hello to fresh air via the bellhousing, on a positive note the price of scrap is up at the mo!! time to go box shopping,sorry!
27. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #27 2nd November 2010, 17:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 that'll be buggered then, diff has tried to say hello to fresh air via the bellhousing, on a positive note the price of scrap is up at the mo!! time to go box shopping,sorry!

    Ive got a vtr box to go on for time being which should hopefully be going on tomorrow. Then will get a new casing and rebuild for this rallye box.
28. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #28 2nd November 2010, 17:46

    if you're struggling for a case i've got a few from boxes that were beyond re-conning here
29. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #29 2nd November 2010, 19:02

    Ouch, I'd say try and weld it up but looks like something inside has come out.
    
    Its got a Quaife diff in it?
30. user_38486 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Blackburn Posts: 4739 A few

    #30 2nd November 2010, 19:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsdvtr

    
    Thats a baby hole
    
    Should see the size of the hole that was in mine that come off on saturday Was about 6x that size
31. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #31 2nd November 2010, 19:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz Ouch, I'd say try and weld it up but looks like something inside has come out. Its got a Quaife diff in it?

    Ye it has, i moved car since had it towed back by rac but put some oil in before hand and it seemed ok. Dont think oils got on clutch anyway.
32. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #32 2nd November 2010, 20:00

    looks like a diff bearing went by the way the whole diff has moved sideways, i spy with my little eye....planet gears!!!
33. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

    #33 2nd November 2010, 20:28

    Lol, I see your final drive
34. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #34 18th November 2010, 14:26

    Went to go see the gearbox today in bits. It was the driveshaft input bearing that had collapsed. The diffs fine but need a synchro hub 1st, detent spring assembly parts, input shaft bearing x2, lay shaft bearing x2. Where would be best place to buy from?
35. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #35 18th November 2010, 16:23

    bearings on ebay but if you want quality ones then get the old ones down to a bearing stockist and ask for them to match them up to SKF or Timkens bearings, usually work out cheaper and a lot better bearing