Ring rules / regulations?

12th October 2010, 19:10

Not sure if i should be posting this in here or general chat but hey ho, will my car when finished be 'acceptable' to go to and drive around the nurburgring?

I'd like to go with sax-p at some point!

Could someone post a link as to whats acceptable and whats not? wasnt sure if they allow kitted cars on there etc?

12th October 2010, 19:16

I posted up a thread earlier this year in the WM section, hold on ill try and find it...

12th October 2010, 19:21

General Rules:-

- Stupid parking (i.e. any parking not in a clearly marked place) will be rewarded with a 100% guaranteed winning ticket to pick your car up from an exciting location in Adenau. This means verges, over kerbs, abandoned next to mates cars which aren't moving etc...
- Crap parking will also be rewarded with a day-long ban from the Nordschleife AND its car park.
- Parking capacity will be expanded before season begins to match the above enforcement
- No change to basic rules - no vids, no paid taxi laps, etc...

It seems they are going to come down HARD on cars that arent prepared correctly!

Car Rules:-

- Bonnet pins are now TOTALLY verboten. Even if covered with tape or rubber. It's flush mount or standard bonnets only
- Interior trim - NO sharp edges or even tatty-looking 'rip outs' will be tolerated. You must have door cards installed, you can't leave shin-breaking metal beams uncovered under your dash.
- Roll bars and cages must be padded where your body will hit them. This will be checked more.
- Expect more TüV time - this is where a Meister guy from the the standards body here in Germany spends time at the gate spot-checking for safe and unsafe cars. This can only be a good thing provided the decisions are consistent.
- valid MOT certificate, tax-disc and insurance that does not have funny small print. if you already fail to produce any of the above criteria then game over.
- weld in or bolt in cages only with certificate from the manufacturer or TUV stating the complete construction of car/cage is safe and solid and from within the last two years. same applies to harness bars, especially concerning the welds.
- seatbelts/seats/seatmounts fall in the same criteria, so unless you have a certificate from a governing body (uk or germany does not matter but german preferred) saying the construction is save.
- bucket seats and harnesses will only be tolerated when mounted on corresponding subframes and only seats/harnesses still within FIA will be accepted at spot checks. anything out of date will not be tollerated.
- perspex windows is another sore point on modern cars as they are part of the carrying structure of the vehicle. not so much a problem with older cars with rubber seals.

And heres the link to the thread which has another link in it to Northloop with the full rules.

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=297818

12th October 2010, 19:25

Used all my thanks quota, but thats a massive help! must have missed that before.... looks like i wont be gooing!

Thanks jp

12th October 2010, 19:47

What makes you say that?
When i was there this year some guy just glanced through the windscreen then we were on, looked like he was checking for a camera more than anything.

12th October 2010, 19:57

many people dont feel the trip is worth risking not being allowed on.

Personally id rather spend the dosh on a trip and do spa than the ring. For me the ring was over hyped and is full of to many knobbers

12th October 2010, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

many people dont feel the trip is worth risking not being allowed on.

Personally id rather spend the dosh on a trip and do spa than the ring. For me the ring was over hyped and is full of to many knobbers

I'm planning on doing spa next year on the way or way back from the ring, still love the ring.

12th October 2010, 20:32

Agreed, By what i've seen and heard the ring is crowded and jam packed with people and bikes hooning past you, you can't relax and get into the groove, let alone give it some. Spa is an awesome track. Quite expensive for track days, but a good experience.

12th October 2010, 20:41

Josh i was meant to do spa this year. No car for it sadly.

Wish I could get it picked up by someone for a decent price then it can get some work done on it.

I just really dont enjoy the ring/the way that you can royally be fucked by someone elses mistake. (currently I know two people with big lawsuits on trying to avoid someone elses F'up but the german police have sided with the germans).

12th October 2010, 20:51

if you dont want to go to the ring when its busy, its simple just go in the week away from prime time weekends and bank holidays etc. then theres more chance of enjoying the track rather than the experience. i still love the place.
i do agree there are lots of idiots there you have to be wary of.

WIDE-VTR-TURBO, im pretty sure you would be fine with your car. if its built to the quality it looks in the pics then they will realise its not a "thrown together" cheapo car and realise its had a bit of thought gone into it.
they are basically looking for ropey shed that are a danger to other people. the rules/guidlines are there to scare these type of cars/people away. also so long as you condone yourself properly in the car parks and on track and dont draw attention to yourself you will be ok.

12th October 2010, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Alex

What makes you say that?
When i was there this year some guy just glanced through the windscreen then we were on, looked like he was checking for a camera more than anything.

Just because its not meant for 'track' really, wouldnt hammer it round, just love to make the trip and experience.

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Originally Posted by dannygti

if you dont want to go to the ring when its busy, its simple just go in the week away from prime time weekends and bank holidays etc. then theres more chance of enjoying the track rather than the experience. i still love the place.
i do agree there are lots of idiots there you have to be wary of.

WIDE-VTR-TURBO, im pretty sure you would be fine with your car. if its built to the quality it looks in the pics then they will realise its not a "thrown together" cheapo car and realise its had a bit of thought gone into it.
they are basically looking for ropey shed that are a danger to other people. the rules/guidlines are there to scare these type of cars/people away. also so long as you condone yourself properly in the car parks and on track and dont draw attention to yourself you will be ok.

Thanks danny, very informative, didnt think of it like that, will consider it when the next one is planned

13th October 2010, 03:07

an really wonting to take the car over to the ring and then drive down to our place in spain next summer then stay out there for abit, some of the rules do worry me for example...
- weld in or bolt in cages only with certificate from the manufacturer or TUV stating the complete construction of car/cage is safe and solid and from within the last two years. same applies to harness bars, especially concerning the welds.

i have a 6 point 45mm Geronimo Cage with harness bars, but theres no fia or any papers come with it thats kinda worrying me, all the welds are spot on with it ect so would i not be aloud on?

13th October 2010, 08:02

Ide really love to go to the next year but this has kinder put a downer on it

"weld in or bolt in cages only with certificate from the manufacturer or TUV stating the complete construction of car/cage is safe and solid and from within the last two years"

I have a bolt in sparco cage. I bought it second hand an it never came with with a certificate

How would you get around this?

13th October 2010, 11:06

When we were there in July there were cars with metal bonnet pins and I went round with a camera attached to the sun visor they are not as strict as it says.

13th October 2010, 11:23

surly your aloud out in cars without a cage? if so it seems daft, you can go out in a uncaged car but if you have one has to have fia ect...

13th October 2010, 11:55

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Originally Posted by jpsaxo

- bucket seats and harnesses will only be tolerated when mounted on corresponding subframes and only seats/harnesses still within FIA will be accepted at spot checks. anything out of date will not be tollerated.

that will cause alot of problems...

13th October 2010, 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark1311

surly your aloud out in cars without a cage? if so it seems daft, you can go out in a uncaged car but if you have one has to have fia ect...

Because what they want is that if your car is modified, then they want to know that it is of a high standard and won't fall apart. A standard car will probably wont have been tampered with as much as a modified car.

13th October 2010, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark1311

surly your aloud out in cars without a cage? if so it seems daft, you can go out in a uncaged car but if you have one has to have fia ect...

Thats because a badly fitted/badly designed cage is alot more dangerous than no cage at all.

13th October 2010, 15:05

Yer i totally get what you guys are saying, so would I not be aloud on with my cage?

13th October 2010, 16:34

can you not email geronimo cages / Impact Cages (Which they are now known as)

? as im sure they were fia approved?

Quote:

A copy of the certificate of conformity will be supplied with all products (posted out separately)

13th October 2010, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark1311

Yer i totally get what you guys are saying, so would I not be aloud on with my cage?

Depends how anal they are being, they should be fine.

Have decent padding put on it as a cage without padding isnt the best idea, and simply ask geronimo for paperwork.

13th October 2010, 21:01

Hmmmm looks like im out the question then, i have all the correct materials and all sized out to a safety devices cage ready to go in... Weld will be top quality as well... A lot better than some i have seen on here.

Is there anyway round it?

13th October 2010, 21:09

The 2 times I've been there, i've never seen a car be checked or turned away!

It is a long way to drive just to risk it, but i've never driven there and still loved every minute!

13th October 2010, 22:04

Also it's been alot quieter this year compared to others according to Martin at bergstube, maybe due to the economy or maybe some people just getting bored. Anyway what I'm trying to say is don't be put off with it being too busy. If your doing around 9min BTG then chances are you will only get passed by a few cars anyway!

13th October 2010, 22:05

Will see if i can get paperwork from kam which is where i got the cage from, i have scroth 4 point harnesses, and corbeau pro series kevlar seats both of which are out of date fia wise, will this mean i cant go on track?

13th October 2010, 22:44

It means if you get pulled up on it you cant. If you are worried you could use standard seats and belts and it will be fine.

23rd October 2010, 08:35

Due to the insurance liability problems now, it's probably cheaper to hire a german car.

You are then fully covered.

23rd October 2010, 09:51

When I went I have non fia seats and non fia harness
still allowed out on track didn't even look at my car

There are a few plebs out there
I had a guy on a zx6r refuse to let me past then realised I was outbraking him waved me by then just hammer past on a straight again and held me up all lap basically
I just drove round him on the brakes in the end and he fucking wheelies past me like a cunt on the main straight

only knob all weekend though

23rd October 2010, 11:39

About the fia out of date stuff. For most of it you can get it re certificated. I have never looked into it but it can be done. extending the date

23rd October 2010, 11:51

Mine weren't approved in the first place as there recliners

23rd October 2010, 20:20

Ive only ever seen one car turned away. And it really was a shed

Was a supra that was stupidly loud with a white unpainted body kit so not suprising it got turned away

25th October 2010, 20:49

Didn't even look at my car when i went on.
Bloody krap about the FIA dates and stuff though...