New Vts, Which engines can i swap ?

18th October 2010, 15:49

Hi guys, just picked up a very nice condition 52 plate silver VTS which has done 28,000 miles for the amazing price of £1300

Really interested in modifying this car and was thinking of engine swaps ??

Whats possible and what has been done ?

I really would like to go for something with better MPG than this car and was wondering if anyone has ever transplanted a diesel into a VTS ?

Thanks Guys suggestions appreciated

18th October 2010, 15:50

ferrari f430 conversion hasn't been done yet, would be interesting.

18th October 2010, 15:55

Hmm that could be interesting.. only issue would be the cost of the engine ?

18th October 2010, 16:01

I have 1 here. £50 its yours

Seriously though mate, why would you want to do an engine swap on a VTS with 30k miles??

You could put a gti-6 lump in from the 306 which has been done but not many about. IIRC about 167bhp standard

But with a low milage VTS I would look at the following

Cams
4-2-1 manifold
Decat
saxsport / kam racing system
Good induction kit (raceland, BMC)
Re-map

Then maybe;
head work
Lightened and balanced flywheel
Fast road clutch

After all that has been done if your budget allows look into;
Throttle bodies
Boost. With boost if running high you will need forged internals

Or maybe look into getting a 1800 stroker engine and working with that?

Don't forget though that when modifying an engine and the cars performance speedwise

Please please please also upgrade your brakes and suspension set up

That is imo MORE important than how fast your car is or your BHP figures. A well spec'd car with crap suspension and brakes is not better than a standard car

To get the best from all mods make sure they are all set up correctly

Brakes to look into will depend how high spec the car is
306 GTI-6 set up
wilwood 4pots
406 coupe bermbos.
Hispec 4pots
Make sure you also choose a good set of pads to go with it. Kam racing have good pads on there site. e.g mintex 1144 pads.
Good brake fluid
Braided lines

Suspension;
B6 dampers are uprated at o/e length
B8 dampers are uprated like the B6 but shortened.
Grp N dampers are hard as nails

The Peugeot Gti sprintline kit comes with the B8 shocks
The Saxo sprintline comes with Group N fronts and B8 rears.
The Group N kit comes with Group Ns front and rear

Use 106GTi 24mm rear bars

18th October 2010, 16:07

Well i have a friend who has a 1.1 and wants to do a VTS conversion so he's buying the engine for £250.

I was thinking of putting in a 175bhp PD engine from a MK5 g tdi ?? i don't think it's been done before and it'd have sooo much torque it could probably rip the chassis in two lol.

I could modify this engine but to be honest it's only a 1.6 and i think it would be false economy ?

18th October 2010, 16:09

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Originally Posted by VTSex

Well i have a friend who has a 1.1 and wants to do a VTS conversion so he's buying the engine for £250.

I was thinking of putting in a 175bhp PD engine from a MK5 g tdi ?? i don't think it's been done before and it'd have sooo much torque it could probably rip the chassis in two lol.

I could modify this engine but to be honest it's only a 1.6 and i think it would be false economy ?

410BHP in a 106 GTi? it has been done

there are a few saxo's on this site running 250-300 with the 16V lumps

18th October 2010, 16:15

False economy though isn't it ? Spending say 15,000 on trying to make your 1.6 400 bhp when you could say supercharge a gti-6 engine for like 9,000 on high boost for around 500 bhp and it would probably be more reliable.

i don't know though :/ i really want something for fuel economy but i absoloubtly love the look of the saxo

18th October 2010, 16:18

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Originally Posted by VTSex

False economy though isn't it ? Spending say 15,000 on trying to make your 1.6 400 bhp when you could say supercharge a gti-6 engine for like 9,000 on high boost for around 500 bhp and it would probably be more reliable.

i don't know though :/ i really want something for fuel economy but i absoloubtly love the look of the saxo

Its your car mate, its your choice. Im just laying the options down for you
But dont take on a project that you wont finish
All depends on your budget etc aswell tbh.

Fitting the GTi-6 lump in isnt a quick swap like dropping an S lump in, hence why it isnt done that often

18th October 2010, 16:21

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Originally Posted by SAM-S44MDS-

Its your car mate, its your choice. Im just laying the options down for you
But dont take on a project that you wont finish
All depends on your budget etc aswell tbh.

Fitting the GTi-6 lump in isnt a quick swap like dropping an S lump in, hence why it isnt done that often

Well tbh i own my own garage and one of my relatives has just passed unfourtunetly but i've been left with a small fortune.

I really want to do something crazy, get magazine features etc.

I want to do something like the first 500 bhp diesel saxo ! now that would be epic

18th October 2010, 16:23

hello

im new too!

18th October 2010, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTSex

Well tbh i own my own garage and one of my relatives has just passed unfourtunetly but i've been left with a small fortune.

I really want to do something crazy, get magazine features etc.

I want to do something like the first 500 bhp diesel saxo ! now that would be epic

Sorry to hear about that mate

But ye, the 306GTI-6 lump can be done and has been done so maybe one for you to try there?
Or as i said look into a 1800stroker to play with

If you have the money, skills, time and tools to hand then anything is possible

18th October 2010, 16:28

Can you actually get much performance out of diesels ?? Only thing i know about them is there usually smelly and slow haha

18th October 2010, 16:30

i just want to do something really different !

18th October 2010, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTSex

Can you actually get much performance out of diesels ?? Only thing i know about them is there usually smelly and slow haha

Diesels yes....saxo 1.5 diesels no.
haha

In all honesty mate, if you want a high BHP saxo you need to be working with atleast a vts (1.6 16V) you can run vtr's with good figures but the S is the best easy starting point
However if you can get a forged GTI-6 lump in there running high boost.
That would be a beast. And yes it can be done

18th October 2010, 16:38

Well i know one of the guys quite well at my garage and he's very very good at fabrication, i think i may go along the route of 2 supercharged gti-6 engines running high boost ?? maybe 1 in the front and 1 in the back ?

I expect it would only cost around 20,000 ??

18th October 2010, 16:46

Well i've just spoken to my friend who was meant to be having the engine but unfourtunetly he can't afford it any more

Engines probably gunna be tipped which is a shame as it's only just hit 28k !

18th October 2010, 16:50

Yer i spose i could, do yu have any engines you recommened,, i was looking for some economy

PS.. Scrapping a Mint VTS engine will full anxileries, 28k, offers around £50

18th October 2010, 16:57

Vtsex you really need to learn how to spell

18th October 2010, 16:59

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Originally Posted by VTSlow

i can giv u abt £30 for it if u can hold onto it 4 a cuple of wks?

i rekon u shud get a 1.9 dsel wiv ot a turbo they is still prity rapid man

Hmm thats not a bad plan, they are pretty cheap to pick up aswell, i've heard they are pretty fast ? quicker than a vtr apprently ?

I can spell fine thankyou

18th October 2010, 17:03

Wow that sounds like the power i'm after, so you think i should just get off the 16v route and go for a 1.9 dturbo engine ?

18th October 2010, 17:05

Hmm.. that sounds a bit worrying

what does the body work on them stay like ?? mine looks quite good for a 2002 but it's only lowered 100mm atm

18th October 2010, 17:11

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Originally Posted by VTSlow

Wot is ur problem jus cos he aint a brainy kid lyk u?

"Taken from the rules"

• Do NOT use text-talk.
Please refrain from using text talk (e.g. cu l8r ). Saxperience has a very large user base, with members frequently visiting the community from many parts of the world. Text-talk is difficult for many British members to read and proves to be near impossible for our foreign members to translate. Our foreign members take the time to use their best English and therefore so should you! Whilst the use of net-accepted TLA’s is permissible (e.g. LOL), please do not abuse these.

Which you should have read when you registered with saxperience
Im haveing trouble reading what you're writing

18th October 2010, 17:12

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Originally Posted by 3cott

"Taken from the rules"

Do NOT use text-talk.
Please refrain from using text talk (e.g. cu l8r ). Saxperience has a very large user base, with members frequently visiting the community from many parts of the world. Text-talk is difficult for many British members to read and proves to be near impossible for our foreign members to translate. Our foreign members take the time to use their best English and therefore so should you! Whilst the use of net-accepted TLAs is permissible (e.g. LOL), please do not abuse these.

Witch you should have read when you registered with saxperience
Im haveing trouble reading what you're writing

It's spelt which

18th October 2010, 17:15

if you are really going to sell your vts as a lump, message me please.

18th October 2010, 17:17

Just spoken to another member about this, i live in Thurso scotland

My little brother may be taking this off my hands though as he loves small capacity engines

18th October 2010, 17:19

Urgh, both the same person, fuck off

18th October 2010, 17:21

Please no bad language in here ! VTslow is just a fellow newb like myself

18th October 2010, 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyndon

Urgh, both the same person, fuck off

That's what i was thinking, Retards

Edit : Retard !

18th October 2010, 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by VTSex

Please no bad language in here ! VTslow is just a fellow newb like myself

With the same IP? funny.

18th October 2010, 17:24

Same IP ?? and how would you know that considering i'm at work as an IT tech i would love to know how you know that please

18th October 2010, 17:29

Because I'm a secret agent

18th October 2010, 17:36

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Originally Posted by VTSlow

yh they thrash vts saxos easy man, the turbo d's are 150bhp standard and thrash evos

Probably the stupidest post ive ever seen.

The base model Evo is twice that power. A standard vts would make a 150hp diesel golf sweat, a cammed saxo would pass it.

18th October 2010, 17:40

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Originally Posted by wicked-vtr

Probably the stupidest post ive ever seen.

The base model Evo is twice that power. A standard vts would make a 150hp diesel golf sweat, a cammed saxo would pass it.

Just ignore it, it's either 1 guy with 2 accounts or 2 mates having a laugh.

Funny 'init'

18th October 2010, 19:20

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Originally Posted by 3cott

haveing trouble

It's spelt "having"

18th October 2010, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyndon

Urgh, both the same person, fuck off

I ent da sme prson im a nuva noob no need 2 tak da piss coz i ent a geek lyk u lot ye, i av blown my saxo up an fawt u guyz wud no wot 2 do abot it but apaz u is jus gona be bellends lyk....

18th October 2010, 19:29

Mate, do us all a favour and GTFO

18th October 2010, 20:08

3 wheeler conversion! Will be epic!

18th October 2010, 20:10

I wouldn't bother with the Golf engine mate, what you want is an XUD9 running methanol, 300lb ft of torque would be ace in a Saxo, not to mention the smoke cloud you'd leave....

Would be a good swap, no torque in the VTS lump unless you throw a lot of cash at it