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1. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

   #1 26th October 2010, 22:22

   Right then, i have just got back today from New York as some of you might remember..
   
   I have gone to start my car and it is just turning over, it appears there is no spark to it so we got a jerry can and put a fiver in (i left it on low end petrol light and i know its been cold) cleaned the sparkplugs and put them back in and still to no avail..it wont kick in basically!
   
   To the right of the coilpack there is the earth and that was undone so we put it back in and sorted that out and tried and it still wouldnt start?
   
   Any idea what else it could be as it has literally been sat there and i have no idea why it wont start..
   
   If someone could shed some light please?
2. user_29778 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Stourbridge Posts: 3996 Vauxhall corsa 1.2 Saxo 1.6 vtr

   #2 26th October 2010, 22:25

   Have you tried bumping it?

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3. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

   #3 26th October 2010, 22:26

   We tried the jump leads mate..
4. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

   #4 26th October 2010, 22:27

   You got a multi meter?
   
   Edit. just seen you say you've tried the jumpleads.
   
   Were they clean? Good connection?
5. user_29778 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Stourbridge Posts: 3996 Vauxhall corsa 1.2 Saxo 1.6 vtr

   #5 26th October 2010, 22:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Paul You got a multi meter? Edit. just seen you say you've tried the jumpleads. Were they clean? Good connection?

   To add to this, what were you jumping off? a car or just a battery?
6. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

   #6 26th October 2010, 22:31

   When i tried to put the window down to push it from somewhere it took forever and i havent got a multi meter no mate..
7. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

   #7 26th October 2010, 22:31

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Tom_Crx To add to this, what were you jumping off? a car or just a battery?

   Did it off my mates golf
8. user_29778 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Stourbridge Posts: 3996 Vauxhall corsa 1.2 Saxo 1.6 vtr

   #8 26th October 2010, 22:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Tringaling Did it off my mates golf

   Sorry if any of my posts sound patronising buddy, batteries usually give in around this time
   
   Was the golf's ignition on?
9. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

   #9 26th October 2010, 22:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Tringaling When i tried to put the window down to push it from somewhere it took forever and i havent got a multi meter no mate..

   Sounds like battery, any of your mates got a saxo/106 battery you can borrow to try?
10. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #10 26th October 2010, 22:44

    Its ok mate, i normally know what i am doing hence why i asked here lol
    
    We connected it and then let the engine run for around a minute then longer then tried to start mine..
    
    I am going to try mine from my old one in a couple days..
11. user_29778 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Stourbridge Posts: 3996 Vauxhall corsa 1.2 Saxo 1.6 vtr

    #11 26th October 2010, 22:47

    Try bumping it, Although, a warning, it can harm the cat, but ive done it and its been fine plenty times.
    
    Get a few mates to push the car, have the key turned just before the ignition setting, first / second gear. When up to a reasonable speed pull clutch up and rev
    
    It does sound like battery to me, my battery was fubar'd and wouldn't start after just one night of leaving it.
12. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #12 26th October 2010, 22:52

    Ill try that tomorrow and let you know bud!
13. user_29778 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Stourbridge Posts: 3996 Vauxhall corsa 1.2 Saxo 1.6 vtr

    #13 26th October 2010, 22:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tringaling Ill try that tomorrow and let you know bud!

    Is the fuel pump priming? Just check the cut off switch hasn't been knocked..
14. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #14 26th October 2010, 23:03

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tom_Crx Is the fuel pump priming? Just check the cut off switch hasn't been knocked..

    Yeah its just not sparking
15. user_29778 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Stourbridge Posts: 3996 Vauxhall corsa 1.2 Saxo 1.6 vtr

    #15 26th October 2010, 23:08

    Well try bumping it tomorrow, check for any moisture on the plugs, and general condition of them. I have a different coilpack to you iirc, mine being the box yours the inline, but i do know moisture can affect mine so it may be the same with yours. This may be a stupid suggestion but try warming it gently...
16. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #16 26th October 2010, 23:13

    We checked all those mate, all seemed fine..
    
    What do you mean warming gently?
17. darael Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 155 1998 Saxo 1.1i

    #17 27th October 2010, 08:29

    Got the same problem on my car - been told it's my starter motor, so getting a new one in rather than a refurb.
18. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #18 27th October 2010, 09:20

    Whats your story darael, as i was away for a week
    
    I doubt its my starter tbf..well i hope not
19. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

    #19 27th October 2010, 09:22

    Tryed the coilpack?
    
    could have easily got condensation inside it
20. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #20 27th October 2010, 09:30

    Tried it?
    What you mean Cammy?
21. darael Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 155 1998 Saxo 1.1i

    #21 27th October 2010, 09:34

    My story is pretty much the same as yours. Car tries to start, but won't fire like it hasn't got the power/urge. After around 5 attempts, numerous swearwords it starts - like yourself, the cold mornings are worse for starting!
22. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #22 27th October 2010, 09:38

    Oh right, mine wont start after any times though haha!
    
    I think something has happened after it being sat there for ages!
23. darael Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 155 1998 Saxo 1.1i

    #23 27th October 2010, 09:48

    Well I was warned by the mech that there will come a time that it won't even start. That, coupled with a dead cell in my battery means a sorry looking wallet.
24. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

    #24 27th October 2010, 09:52

    If you take off the coilpack, you will see deposits of a rusty colour, or even water inside the stems where the spark plugs sit in it, this usually causes it not to spark well - as i had this problem, then again - the little earth you said was off, could have caused a problem to whatever its connected with
25. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #25 27th October 2010, 15:49

    I am going to use the coilpack off my old VTR which is just sat around doing nothing, that should be ok *praying*
    
    Will have to replace it either today or tomorrow!
26. myk1992 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2010 Brentwood, Essex Posts: 207 Citroen Saxo 1.1 Desire

    #26 27th October 2010, 16:07

    Just a quick one, might sound stupid but you got antifreeze and that topped up?
    My old works' vans didn't start because the boss forgot to put antifreeze in in the winter :|
27. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #27 27th October 2010, 16:21

    Do you know what, i am not actually sure mate..
    
    Do i put it in with the coolant?
    Is it bad to just top it up saying if its a different make etc?
28. Reechard Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Cirencester Posts: 2286 2x Mazda Mx5s, Volvo s80, Citroen DS4

    #28 27th October 2010, 16:43

    Ideally needs to be of the same colour as the coolant already in the rad.
    
    Try jumping it of the golf again, but rev the golf to 3/4k while you turn the key.
    Sounds a lot like a duff battery to me. Also the coilpack is another thing to check.
29. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #29 27th October 2010, 16:53

    I see, is it quite easy to check the colour mate?
    
    Ok, i shall jump it off the golf and try that!
    Changing the coilpack tonight!
30. Reechard Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Cirencester Posts: 2286 2x Mazda Mx5s, Volvo s80, Citroen DS4

    #30 27th October 2010, 17:01

    Yeah it will most likely be red coolant. Just take the cap off the rad and look.
31. sax0gal Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 279

    #31 27th October 2010, 17:04

    do you have a multimeter i can send you a check to do that will tell you if the coil pack is u/s or not also the earth you said if it attaches onto the same bolts as the coil pack thats just a surpressor and wont stop it starting
32. user_20683 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Woolwich Barracks Posts: 3921 52 Plate Black 8v R'

    #32 28th October 2010, 09:22

    Ok dokey, i shall check the coolant tonight then let you know but hopefully its not that..
    I have the coilpack so we are going to replace that anyway its off my old VTR 02 plate!
    
    I dont have a multimeter but maybe one of my friends do, i can do the check if i get one so if possible can you help
    Thanks