is this a piper 4-1 manifold?

1. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #1 16th November 2010, 18:16

   
   
   know its not the best pic but any ideas?
   
   cheers
2. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

   #2 16th November 2010, 18:59

   Mine had a plate tacked on that had 'Piper' on it. Has it not got that?
   
   If its piper, it should be a piece of piss to fit!
3. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #3 16th November 2010, 19:07

   straight on no moving oil filters or oil sensors?
   
   and what do you go with lambda sensors?
4. rollerdan Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 carmarthen Posts: 684 citroen saxo vtr phase 2

   #4 16th November 2010, 19:09

   i got a piper .... you plug the manifold lambda in the new manifold and sleeve the other one into a lambda sleeve ...
5. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

   #5 16th November 2010, 19:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by CitroenSport straight on no moving oil filters or oil sensors? and what do you go with lambda sensors?

   VTR? should be straight on. Screw the lambda sensor in, has one before and one after the cat. Second one just needs a lambda sleeve.
6. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #6 16th November 2010, 19:12

   cheers mate and does that one look in good condition?
7. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

   #7 16th November 2010, 19:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by CitroenSport cheers mate and does that one look in good condition?

   Its stainless steel mate, just look for cracks. NDT the welds if you that worried. Should be spot on Wrap it, or leave it as is. Both have pros and cons
8. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #8 16th November 2010, 19:17

   and i may make my own lambda sleeve but is it closed off like a blank or open at the end . . .
   
   for exsample putting it in an empty bottle of coke or empty bottle of coke with bottom chopped off if you get me?
   
   as i am a plumber i will be able to make one from 22mm pipe ect
9. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #9 16th November 2010, 19:18

   and what are pros and cons of wrapping mate?
10. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #10 16th November 2010, 19:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CitroenSport and i may make my own lambda sleeve but is it closed off like a blank or open at the end . . . for exsample putting it in an empty bottle of coke or empty bottle of coke with bottom chopped off if you get me? as i am a plumber i will be able to make one from 22mm pipe ect

    Im not too clued up on DIY sleeves. How would you hold the copper on? Normally they are threaded. Im a plumber aswell, but I just bought one off ebay, £15.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CitroenSport and what are pros and cons of wrapping mate?

    Wrapping Pros: lower bay temps, gasses temps stay higher increasing the speed they travel
    Cons: Cause premature corrosion, Can end up looking shite and dirty after a while
11. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #11 16th November 2010, 19:24

    so whats the cons mate
    
    and is the sleeve like just a cutting of 22mm copper with a thread on but the other side got a solder cap end on or is it just open to the elements?
12. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #12 16th November 2010, 19:29

    Sorry mate, pressed post by accident. To be honest I dont think a bit of 22mm copper would work. Be to big to start with.
13. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #13 16th November 2010, 19:30

    ok mate i will buy one worth a try tho haha
    
    what are the cons of wrapping mani mate?
14. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #14 16th November 2010, 19:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CitroenSport ok mate i will buy one worth a try tho haha what are the cons of wrapping mani mate?

    I edited the post. Give it a shot anyways if you want. Will be for free. The second o2 sensor will make the engine management light come on when its not plugged in. If you DIY sleeve turns it off then its a win. Just tie wrap it out of the way
15. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #15 16th November 2010, 19:39

    which one is o2 sensor blue or green?
    
    and is it capped off or open at one end on lambda sleeves?
16. MartinDines Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 1221 Citroen Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #16 21st November 2010, 00:01

    Also need to know this.
    
    
    ALSO if you're fitting a piper 4-1, you'll probably need to extend the first lambda sensors wires as they wont reach to the bottom