1.1 to vts

17th November 2010, 09:02

hi, iv got a 1.1 and a vts and am wantin to put the vts engine in the 1.1 i have both full cars and they are both mk1.

how hard is it to change over and get running/driving?

can any1 help? cheerssssssssssssss

17th November 2010, 09:05

can't help but think it's easier to just drive the vts instead of changing over the engine

17th November 2010, 09:08

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Originally Posted by mannion

can't help but think it's easier to just drive the vts instead of changing over the engine

vts is smashed bad forgot to mention lol also vts cripple you on insurance wer as 1.1 is nice and cheap

17th November 2010, 09:17

but then voiding your insurance as you wouldn't tell them of the change..
look at a cheap vtr or a furio

17th November 2010, 09:34

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Originally Posted by mannion

but then voiding your insurance as you wouldn't tell them of the change..
look at a cheap vtr or a furio

true but not really bothered as this saxo will only be used when its raining or in bad weather when i cant drive my golf mk1 cheers

17th November 2010, 10:05

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Originally Posted by otta

true but not really bothered as this saxo will only be used when its raining or in bad weather when i cant drive my golf mk1 cheers

There's loads of threads on this, and 'get a VTS' is always the answer when converting a 1.1.

You'll need to swap over the loom, an unlocked ECU, engine, and hook up a fuel return.

Then as you're converting a 1.1, you'll want to uprate the suspension and convert the rear brakes from drums to disc brakes - unless you want to run a 120bhp+ tin can on drum brakes in the rain.

17th November 2010, 10:27

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Originally Posted by Gary-VTR

There's loads of threads on this, and 'get a VTS' is always the answer when converting a 1.1.

You'll need to swap over the loom, an unlocked ECU, engine, and hook up a fuel return.

Then as you're converting a 1.1, you'll want to uprate the suspension and convert the rear brakes from drums to disc brakes - unless you want to run a 120bhp+ tin can on drum brakes in the rain.

Man talks sense

Would also advise getting a bigger brake upgrade like the pug 306 GTi6 set up as the standard saxo brakes are shit as it is.

17th November 2010, 10:31

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Originally Posted by otta

true but not really bothered as this saxo will only be used when its raining or in bad weather when i cant drive my golf mk1 cheers

file of the engine and chassis numbers, change the panels over and put the 1.1 plates on ur vts

17th November 2010, 10:40

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Originally Posted by liam-o

file of the engine and chassis numbers, change the panels over and put the 1.1 plates on ur vts

And as soon as he takes it in for MOT, it fails

17th November 2010, 10:45

you sound like a bit of a tool in the first place saying that you wont insure it....

and you need to change a mount welded a vts mount in for it to fit..

bet you dont vts it!!!

17th November 2010, 11:51

Would be nice to see if he does drop a vts in, but what liam-o said is correct, id happily do that!
But when it comes to the mot you need to know sombody to get you through it fine

or say to the tester you will give him a fiver for everything that should fail.....
Just dont sell the car with a dodgey mot cause its not nice

17th November 2010, 12:03

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Originally Posted by chappy10

Would be nice to see if he does drop a vts in, but what liam-o said is correct, id happily do that!
But when it comes to the mot you need to know sombody to get you through it fine

or say to the tester you will give him a fiver for everything that should fail.....
Just dont sell the car with a dodgey mot cause its not nice

That would make a car illegal. Insurance would be void, MOT would fail, tax would be in the wrong bracket. And allthough some MOT places can be abit forgiving/dodgy, I doubt you would find many that would ignore the fact a car has no chassis plates.

17th November 2010, 12:09

Rear drums are fine. They do very little work in such a nose heavy care anyway. And drum brakes are just as good as most disc brakes, just harder to maintain.

17th November 2010, 12:17

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Originally Posted by otta

true but not really bothered as this saxo will only be used when its raining or in bad weather when i cant drive my golf mk1 cheers

If its only for when its rainin and bad weather then just use the 1.1. Drums will be fine at the rear much heavier cars have drums on the rear and they only do like 20% of the braking anyway. Have a go on a push bike and use the rear brake to see what i mean.

17th November 2010, 12:23

Also just because a car is more powerfull dosent mean you need larger brakes, when you brake you dont have your foot to the floor on the throttle. A more powerfull car may get to a higher top top speed then brake and accelarate quicker to the top speed again gettin the discs hot therefore needin larger calipers/discs to distribute the heat. Will you need that in he real world on a road car?

17th November 2010, 16:10

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Originally Posted by moxy89

you sound like a bit of a tool in the first place saying that you wont insure it....

and you need to change a mount welded a vts mount in for it to fit..

bet you dont vts it!!!

bet a do my uncle ownes a garage man u tool! wealding a mount in is nout

17th November 2010, 16:11

ok mate,, well post your progress thread!!! when it starts in 2090

17th November 2010, 16:12

cheers to all you helpfull people givin me good advice much appriacted cheers

17th November 2010, 16:13

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Originally Posted by moxy89

ok mate,, well post your progress thread!!! when it starts in 2090

i sure will just for you BELLEND

17th November 2010, 16:13

your welcome

17th November 2010, 16:15

Lol, sorry Moxy but that post had to be thanked. Nothing personal against you but I love all these newbie's coming on calling everyone bellends, pricks, dicks etc.

Tis just too funny

EDIT: changed my mind about the thanks

removed lol

17th November 2010, 16:21

they all do it 1.1 with lexus lights. and yet there like yeah im going to 16v it and not insure it, cuz im bare hardz init bluddd and safe to ma manz

18th November 2010, 00:09

Now hey fellas, ive gotta a 1.1 and im new but im not a slavery cunt like the most

18th November 2010, 23:59

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Originally Posted by SAM-S44MDS-

And as soon as he takes it in for MOT, it fails

not to hot on this sarcasm stuff are you...

19th November 2010, 11:41

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Originally Posted by liam-o

not to hot on this sarcasm stuff are you...

I think you will find from my posts that yes, I am 'hot' on this sarcasm stuff. However, I tend to leave the sarcasm for gen chat, and try and give serious help in this side of the forum.
You know it will fail MOT. I know it will fail MOT, but if you say that to a newbie who doesnt have a clue, they may well just go and do it. The lad in this case may well be daft enough to follow your advise, all I was doing was putting a point there that he can read so he knows not to do it. Some people actualy do things like that and sell cars on.

So pipe down lad

20th November 2010, 11:19

cheers for all your advice lol engine is out the vts now doin the headgasket timingbelt waterpump and service while its out! And i am hoping to start gettin it in the 1.1 shell next weekend.

i will keep yas posted on my progress!!

just want to say aswell im a newbie to saxos neva had one before but am not a stupid kid with high hopes haha a know what im doin with cars worked at my uncles garage for the past 4 year only come on here askin for advice because i havent converted a saxo befor and ther is alot of people on here who have so just wanted to know whats what

cheers people