what bhp ?

  1. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #1
    hi i have a mk1 vtr and was just wondering roughly what bhp it would be kicking out the mods include
    4-2-1 branch manifold
    decat
    high lift cam (unsure what type)
    remap
    straight threw
    4" backbox
    k&n airfilter
    vent filter
    im asumming the filters dont realy make a diffrence lol
    only had the car a couple of weeks and have not had it on the road yet cause ive a few things to do to it before m.o.t
    the lad that owned it before me recons its faster than a standard vts but i doubt it lol
    thanks
  2. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182
    #2
    Its hard to say as all cars vary but something around 115-120bhp IMO prob would be standard vts pace
  3. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #3
    sweet its also got a diesel gear box
    when i get everything sorted i will take it to the track and race my mate in his standard vts lol
  4. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #4
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Decky-vtr View Post
    sweet its also got a diesel gear box
    when i get everything sorted i will take it to the track and race my mate in his standard vts lol
    That would be driver ability though not necessarily speed..

    Best way is to get them both rr'd and see who's is quicker if you were that bothered
  5. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #5
    supose lol
    i was thinking about getting it on the rr would be nice to findout
  6. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Here and there. Posts: 3372 205 GTi
    #6
    TBH my worry would be how they have managed to fit more than 1 cam into a single cam head.
    Could put them both on a RR but that wont really prove which is quicker etc.Its more about the delivery and so on.
  7. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #7
    my bad ment CAM lol
    yea just realy suprized that its anywere near as fast as a S like
  8. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
    #8
    IIRC Diesel box is longer - so would loose any gain from more power.
    A shorter box S or 106 XSI/Rallye might be better!
  9. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nik_L View Post
    TBH my worry would be how they have managed to fit more than 1 cam into a single cam head.
    Could put them both on a RR but that wont really prove which is quicker etc.Its more about the delivery and so on.
    more than one cam?

    well the old were taken out and new put in?
    just replaced whatever cams were in there..

    so yeah how the power is delivered..

    your will find out whos quicker off the line.. through the gears and peak power... so you would find out whos quicker?
  10. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Blackburn Posts: 4739 A few
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by char69lie View Post
    more than one cam?

    well the old were taken out and new put in?
    just replaced whatever cams were in there..

    so yeah how the power is delivered..

    your will find out whos quicker off the line.. through the gears and peak power... so you would find out whos quicker?
    Lol I think you slightly misunderstood the cam part.

    The lads initial post said 'cams' cams being more than 1.....his car is a vtr, which is a single cam.

    Hence Nik's comment 'TBH my worry would be how they have managed to fit more than 1 cam into a single cam head' meaning how can you put 2 cams in a single cam head lol
  11. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #11
    oppps didnt notice the edit, sorrryyy
  12. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #12
    so a diesel box will make the car slower ? i always thought it made it faster lol well thats what i was told anyway
  13. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Blackburn Posts: 4739 A few
    #13
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by char69lie View Post
    oppps didnt notice the edit, sorrryyy
    Didn't think you had noticed it lol

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Decky-vtr View Post
    so a diesel box will make the car slower ? i always thought it made it faster lol well thats what i was told anyway
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615 Read that, all ratio's in there mate
  14. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost
    #14
    roughly 100-105bhp no more you have a mk1 which starts off 90bhp, depends if it really is cammmed ie do you have proof and how well it looked after as many of the mk2 vtr that were rolling roads with all breathing mods where making 105, and they start with 100bhp
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)
    #15
    Hmm a desiel box nicecand long will take an age to get though the gears, and could be less than it start with if the cam wasn't setup correctly just dnt know, was it mapped? For high lift cam?
  16. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #16
    Well theres a recept for a cam install and map so thats the only way i defo know like
    What would be the best box for it then ?
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost
    #17
    s1 rallye

    or for a slightly longer final driver, XSI or s2 rallye
  18. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #18
    Acording to the link it will not change my mph but maby im reading it wrong lol
  19. Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 west Mids Posts: 1775 Mk1 White VTS
    #19
    it should increase your mph in each gear because it is taking you longer to get through the gear. A Shorter ratio gearbox means you can accelerate quicker but less top end.
  20. Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 132
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by moxy89 View Post
    s1 rallye

    or for a slightly longer final driver, XSI or s2 rallye
    s1 box is AWESOME when they work, but they are the weakest link in a 106 imo, if they are not looked after they have a horrible habit of whining, grinding into gear and reverse becoming a swine to select! But like a said, thats if they arent looked after. Coming across a good second hand one will take a while, but will be worth fitting!

    As for power, your more in the region of 100-105! My 2003 VTS is more in the region of 120 with decat saxsport, 4-2-1 and full raceland enclosed green cotton filter! New, the VTS mk2 was only running 117bhp. Mine has a full service history but i still need to account for 7 years use and the 54k its covered!
    Jack
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  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH
    #21
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JAMason View Post
    s1 box is AWESOME when they work, but they are the weakest link in a 106 imo, if they are not looked after they have a horrible habit of whining, grinding into gear and reverse becoming a swine to select! But like a said, thats if they arent looked after. Coming across a good second hand one will take a while, but will be worth fitting!
    i would go for the s2 rallye box i have had 3 from ebay now for my car and 2 mates car they have all been fine. and all pretty cheap mine was only 50 quid as for the reverse been a swine to get in there a pretty easy solution for that. you need to drill through the selector and selector shaft on the top of the gear box then fit a bolt and a nyloc nut and the gear box becomes a lot more responsive with very little play in the gear stick.
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Southampton Posts: 8188 Astra vxr with added boost
    #22
    As for power, your more in the region of 100-105! My 2003 VTS is more in the region of 120 with decat saxsport, 4-2-1 and full raceland enclosed green cotton filter! New, the VTS mk2 was only running 117bhp. Mine has a full service history but i still need to account for 7 years use and the 54k its covered!
    Jack[/QUOTE]

    agreed you have to consider the use of the car as its may decrease on power through its life time. However mine was RR'd at 71k and it had a manifold and cat back with green panel filter and made 126.6bhp so was over the moon, mine is serviced around every 4k
  23. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #23
    What would be the best oil to get as im going to service it next week
  24. Newbie Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 5
    #24
    aww you the guy who bought the green one of my mate in lisburn ? thats a sharp wee car manys of memories in it , you got any updated pics ?
  25. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 downpatrick, ireland Posts: 199 saxo vtr mk1 1.5 diesel 106 donor tddi focus
    #25
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nova_gsi View Post
    aww you the guy who bought the green one of my mate in lisburn ? thats a sharp wee car manys of memories in it , you got any updated pics ?
    Lol yep thats me, no not yet its still in my garage with the axel out and geting the boot welded
    Shouldnt be to long till i have it on the road