i dont know what the hells happening here

23rd November 2010, 10:33

i brought a saxo 1.4 westcoast
now i have brought a 1.1 litre 51 plate gearbox to replace my broken one so decided to do the clutch at the same time
now this car has been lowered on its arse with vtr kit and i have been trying to get a clutch
i have had 2 sent to me now and not fitting the diameter of the clutches not fitting are a 180mm friction plate ,
now the clutch i have removed i have just measured and the friction pad measures 200mm
i have just found out thats the same as a vtr
does this mean it has a vtr engine in it?
the preasure plates from the clutches i have been recieving are not big enough the holes are too close in compared to the one i removed

23rd November 2010, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbuster

i brought a saxo 1.4 westcoast
now i have brought a 1.1 litre 51 plate gearbox to replace my broken one so decided to do the clutch at the same time
now this car has been lowered on its arse with vtr kit and i have been trying to get a clutch
i have had 2 sent to me now and not fitting the diameter of the clutches not fitting are a 180mm friction plate ,
now the clutch i have removed i have just measured and the friction pad measures 200mm
i have just found out thats the same as a vtr
does this mean it has a vtr engine in it?
the preasure plates from the clutches i have been recieving are not big enough the holes are too close in compared to the one i removed

the car is abit dodgy in ways of bodged
has a switch in the dash to turn fan on :/
loose wires hanging
maybe from imobaliser or old alarm
runs and is pritty nippy

23rd November 2010, 10:55

Put up a pic of the engine

23rd November 2010, 11:07

ok mate thanks for the fast reply
looks messy in there but here it is
bare in mind i only paid £200 quid for it from a friend
needed new gearbox

23rd November 2010, 11:10

it looks like an early silvertop engine, what reg is the car? im not ocmpletely clued up on furios but id have thought thats not its original engine as it looks like one from a later car

23rd November 2010, 11:12

I'd buy a VTR Clutch and just fit that...

23rd November 2010, 11:14

i brought the car from a friend who was told it is a saxo westcoast 1.4 and thats what it says on logbook,
i have sent off for the logbook now just waiting
the reg of this car is a s reg and the reg number matches to a 1.4
so if this isnt a 1.4 westcoast then its been converted and thats why my clutches wont fit
i was going to convert next year too lol
this car has been brought for a little project, something to work on
so this is a vtr then?

23rd November 2010, 11:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikekid450

I'd buy a VTR Clutch and just fit that...

the measurements are the same so will fit but this 1.1 gearbox is no good is it mate?
will need to get a vtr one?

23rd November 2010, 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbuster

the measurements are the same so will fit but this 1.1 gearbox is no good is it mate?
will need to get a vtr one?

Looks like VTR Engine to me, if the Clutch is the size of a VTR and not 1.4 then yeh it must be a VTR. And I think 1.1 Box's fit on VTR's okay. I know some people who have fitted them on their VTR's. Although the DIF don't last long lol.

23rd November 2010, 11:29

yeah lol thats what i was thinking
i mite as well by a vtr one now but wanted to make sure because i didnt want a vtr gearbox if it wasnt because i would have thought it would have made it slower

23rd November 2010, 11:37

sorry for the double post it wont let me edit my last one
has anyone got a pik of a westcoast engine just out of intrest because when i been looking on the internet i carnt find one to compare them
and after looking at the vtr engine thread i agree it does look like a old silvertop model
this saves my the hassel of converting next year but will need a new rad because this is tiny and i dont think its right

23rd November 2010, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbuster

sorry for the double post it wont let me edit my last one
has anyone got a pik of a westcoast engine just out of intrest because when i been looking on the internet i carnt find one to compare them
and after looking at the vtr engine thread i agree it does look like a old silvertop model
this saves my the hassel of converting next year but will need a new rad because this is tiny and i dont think its right

VTR Rad's are tiny

23rd November 2010, 11:57

ohh lol thats all good then
will put the 1.1 gearbox in if i can
maybe it will last a while
doing this would it improve acceleration but lower top end?

23rd November 2010, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbuster

ohh lol thats all good then
will put the 1.1 gearbox in if i can
maybe it will last a while
doing this would it improve acceleration but lower top end?

Low end will be much quicker, you'll hit the limiter in seconds in 1st and 2nd and top end won't be as fast. Around 3,700RPM at 70.

23rd November 2010, 12:08

lol
will last a few hours then lol

23rd November 2010, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbuster

lol
will last a few hours then lol

Lol, if you don't have a heavy foot it could last a while lol.

23rd November 2010, 12:12

lol yeah i mayaswell put it in for now to get it on the road
i see there is alot you can do to these
and this is the reason why my cat is hanging low because its the wrong one for the car lol

23rd November 2010, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbuster

lol yeah i mayaswell put it in for now to get it on the road
i see there is alot you can do to these
and this is the reason why my cat is hanging low because its the wrong one for the car lol

Yup lol

23rd November 2010, 12:17

1.1 box will fit but you'll need a passenger drive shaft from a 1.1 as well to match the diff in the box. I'd get a vts box if i was you

23rd November 2010, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeeM

1.1 box will fit but you'll need a passenger drive shaft from a 1.1 as well to match the diff in the box. I'd get a vts box if i was you

Crap yeh sorry forgot to say about the shaft you'll need. VTR's are longer

23rd November 2010, 12:51

ive got a 1.1 box on my west coast, it was a direct fit, unbolt the old one, bolt the 1.1 box back on.... and tbh its not a massive improvment, if i had to do it agen i wouldnt use a 1.1 box. id go for a 1.4 xsi box

23rd November 2010, 13:32

hmm just thinking
i dont know what gearbox was on it in the first place
how would i tell guys what the gearbox is because they look identical

23rd November 2010, 13:41

just looked on the gearbox and only numbers i can seem to find are
7ES2
and
91535756 80 A

23rd November 2010, 14:39

its realy doing my head in because i will have the money for one tomorrow and the machanic around i need someone to look at it but its up on axelstands with the gearbox out lol
i seen some photos of the westcoast engine now and looks the same as vtr one so not sure what to do
i have found a few numbers on the engine such as
z02
b2
and the engine number not sure if these mean anything

23rd November 2010, 16:11

sorry for posting again i found out these numbers mean nothing
any ideas where the engine code is so i can see what litre it is?

23rd November 2010, 16:46

check to see if its an iron block, the furio 1.4 is alloy not 100% if west coast alloy block though

23rd November 2010, 16:49

how would i tell mate?
im thick as shit lol

23rd November 2010, 16:54

magnet sticks to it if that helps

24th November 2010, 16:40

well its an iron block

24th November 2010, 16:47

thens its a VTR block

24th November 2010, 18:49

yeah seems i have a vtr engine and i didnt know
lol
i had to go and get a vtr clutch and gearbox today
all ready to fit but im finding it hard on my own to put the gearbox on
because of the weight and size im finding it hard to hold it up and get it in place
gotta find someone to help me

25th November 2010, 09:54

i have a machanic helping on saturday so all good
if anyone is in need of a gearbox from a 1.1 51 plate then let me know
just want 50 quid for it and i paid 100
i can send the clutch back to where i brought it but not the gearbox
so i have the gearbox for sale
i was wondering what you guys do with your broken gearboxes?
i have the one from my car wich is a vtr gearbox but couldnt get reverse and inside i can hear a rattle, if this broke gearbox is usefull to anyone let me know you can come and take it because it will be scrapped otherwise

25th November 2010, 09:56

I had 3 big holes in mine

It got scrapped lol