Important! : car still wont start. help please?

30th November 2010, 19:07

last sunday after turning my saxo vtr mark 1 off for less than 10 minuets while going into my house it wouldnt start.

on thursday i had a citroen expert up who said that it was my fuel pump gone, so today i fitted a brand new vtr fuel pump and yet it doesnt start.

when you try and start the car it tries to to turn over but just a click happens and it wont start, no fuel pump priming or anything.
i think it may be an imboliser or something?

any help please?

30th November 2010, 19:12

Crank shaft sensor? Fuel Pump Relay? Ground connection? Tried an unlocked ecu?

30th November 2010, 19:12

(No insurance talk

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When you say it tries to turn over.. does it actually turn over?

30th November 2010, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

last sunday after turning my saxo vtr mark 1 off for less than 10 minuets while going into my house it wouldnt start.

on thursday i had a citroen expert up who said that it was my fuel pump gone, so today i fitted a brand new vtr fuel pump and yet it doesnt start.

when you try and start the car it tries to to turn over but just a click happens and it wont start, no fuel pump priming or anything.
i think it may be an imboliser or something?

any help please?

immobiliser?
I could be talking bollox but are there any fuse relays for the fuel pump?

30th November 2010, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

last sunday after turning my saxo vtr mark 1 off for less than 10 minuets while going into my house it wouldnt start.

on thursday i had a citroen expert up who said that it was my fuel pump gone, so today i fitted a brand new vtr fuel pump and yet it doesnt start.

when you try and start the car it tries to to turn over but just a click happens and it wont start, no fuel pump priming or anything.
i think it may be an imboliser or something?

any help please?

If it clicks but doesn't turn over, your battery is flat most likely...

30th November 2010, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

last sunday after turning my saxo vtr mark 1 off for less than 10 minuets while going into my house it wouldnt start.

on thursday i had a citroen expert up who said that it was my fuel pump gone, so today i fitted a brand new vtr fuel pump and yet it doesnt start.

when you try and start the car it tries to to turn over but just a click happens and it wont start, no fuel pump priming or anything.
i think it may be an imboliser or something?

any help please?

If it clicks but doesn't turn over, your battery is flat most likely...

EDIT: Oops sorry posted it twice lol.

30th November 2010, 20:31

+1 agreed try charging the battery or jump starting it mate.

Steve.

30th November 2010, 20:35

Or bump start if all are unavailble, however if your battery is really flat it wont work

30th November 2010, 21:05

ohh sorry forgot to metion tried bumping and jumpstarting, my battery also went on a day slow charge

30th November 2010, 21:06

The guy says a 'Citroen expert' has looked at it.. so don't think it will be a flat battery.

If it is not turning over and clicking then it will most likely be the starter solenoid, starter itself, starer circuit ... or worst case scenario timing belt gone..

If it is turning over then check red cut off switch, fuel pressure @ injectors, coil pack, crack sensor, fuel?

Immobiliser would not stop it turning over and should make the light flash on the dashboard.

If its still not starting, plug your car in - if it makes a connection with the ECU then read any codes - if its not then check the red cut off switch under the bonnet again, if thats ok then im lost

30th November 2010, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct7331

Crank shaft sensor? Fuel Pump Relay? Ground connection? Tried an unlocked ecu?

grounds are fine disconected and cleaned them all, pump relay is a thing it may be and the sensor

ecu is fine and comes up with no errors

30th November 2010, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

The guy says a 'Citroen expert' has looked at it.. so don't think it will be a flat battery.

If it is not turning over and clicking then it will most likely be the starter solenoid, starter itself, starer circuit ... or worst case scenario timing belt gone..

If it is turning over then check red cut off switch, fuel pressure @ injectors, coil pack, crack sensor, fuel?

Immobiliser would not stop it turning over and should make the light flash on the dashboard.

If its still not starting, plug your car in - if it makes a connection with the ECU then read any codes - if its not then check the red cut off switch under the bonnet again, if thats ok then im lost

the immobiliser would stop it turning over as its the anti theft decive so you cant start it without the key

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plugged it in with no error codes.
cut of switch is fine

30th November 2010, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

immobiliser?
I could be talking bollox but are there any fuse relays for the fuel pump?

checked all fuses they are fine

30th November 2010, 21:28

idea anyoneee

?

30th November 2010, 21:34

Why a new thread for exactly the same problem as you were having before??

Maybe bump your other 1 would be more help so the guys posting in here can see all the other stuff you have done to try and rule out problems.

30th November 2010, 21:35

sorry quite new to this site

30th November 2010, 21:37

I thought that the immobiliser would prevent it from starting, not cranking over - in anycase an immobiliser fault should be displayed with the orange 'key' light flashing on the dashboard - i take it that it isnt?

On the end of the fuel rail there will be a pressure release for the fuel - unscrew the cap and press it in (like a car tyre valve) - is there any pressure? Hold it in while someone tries to start it. Does fuel squirt out of it? If not then it must be the pump or relay (or ECU). Put a constant live on the pump (out of the car) and see it if works. If it does then check the fuel injection relay or fuse 9 or 11.

30th November 2010, 21:38

Just thought, when my mates Coolant froze, it froze the Water Pump so the Engine couldn't turn, that causes the starter to click. Then the Belt ripped all its teeth off. Check your water!!!

30th November 2010, 21:40

and ive listed more info on this than the other

30th November 2010, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

I thought that the immobiliser would prevent it from starting, not cranking over - in anycase an immobiliser fault should be displayed with the orange 'key' light flashing on the dashboard - i take it that it isnt?

On the end of the fuel rail there will be a pressure release for the fuel - unscrew the cap and press it in (like a car tyre valve) - is there any pressure? Hold it in while someone tries to start it. Does fuel squirt out of it? If not then it must be the pump or relay (or ECU). Put a constant live on the pump (out of the car) and see it if works. If it does then check the fuel injection relay or fuse 9 or 11.

i dont have a flishing light no

and i tried a constant live and still didnt prime

.

30th November 2010, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikekid450

Just thought, when my mates Coolant froze, it froze the Water Pump so the Engine couldn't turn, that causes the starter to click. Then the Belt ripped all its teeth off. Check your water!!!

this problem happened before all the cold weather

and is garage kept

30th November 2010, 21:46

Try testing the pressure like i say by using the release valve on the injector rail because if it is already up to pressure it wont prime.

30th November 2010, 21:47

... or take the feed and return pipes off the pump and try it - see if it pisses out fuel?

30th November 2010, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

i dont have a flishing light no

and i tried a constant live and still didnt prime

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If it don't prime with a Live then it's the pump, or earth.

30th November 2010, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

Try testing the pressure like i say by using the release valve on the injector rail because if it is already up to pressure it wont prime.

Or try this ^^

30th November 2010, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikekid450

If it don't prime with a Live then it's the pump, or earth.

ive fitted a brand new pump from citroen today so deff not that

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ive checked earths and cant find a problem there either

30th November 2010, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

... or take the feed and return pipes off the pump and try it - see if it pisses out fuel?

the car doesnt get that far to test this though as it does turn over

it turns once then clicks and doesnt go any fearther

30th November 2010, 22:01

Starter solenoid, starter motor or some part of the stater circuit then (earth?)

... but even on 1 turn, the pump should piss fuel out of it with no feed/return pipes on.

30th November 2010, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

Starter solenoid, starter motor or some part of the stater circuit then (earth?)

... but even on 1 turn, the pump should piss fuel out of it with no feed/return pipes on.

citroen bloke thought fuel pump/relay.
deff not fuel pump though

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when i replaced the pump there was still alot in the pipes

30th November 2010, 23:21

anyone helppp?

30th November 2010, 23:40

Forget what was in the pipes, you need to know if its fuel related (i dont think it is if your car isnt chugging over time after time when you turn the key).

You can only do this by either checking for fuel pressure in the fuel rail or unplugging the pipes off the pump and physically seeing if it is pumping.

If its turning over once only and clicks then that needs to be sorted. No fuel would not stop it turning over on a starter motor forever until the battery goes flat.......

So the problem lies with the starter solenoid, starter motor or some part of the stater circuit. You need to check these..

1st December 2010, 18:37

alright thanks man, what do you think it would be?, if you connect a booster then it does try and turn over like normal but just wont start?

1st December 2010, 18:51

If youve checked that fuel is going to the injectors, then that rules out the pump. Check and double check the cut off switch. Then on to checking the coil pack, crank sensor..

1st December 2010, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

If youve checked that fuel is going to the injectors, then that rules out the pump. Check and double check the cut off switch. Then on to checking the coil pack, crank sensor..

yeah double checked and checked again deff not that, coil pack is fine and il check the crank sensor tomorrow when i can see

is there anything i should be looking for?

1st December 2010, 19:31

Any idea anyonee? or anyone live near fancy having a look:L?

Every garage ive spoken to want me to get the car to them and i cant tow it as i have a knackered wheel bearing:/

3rd December 2010, 12:22

Where are you located Alex? Drop us a PM or message us on the CMC website and we'll arrange one of us to come and have a look.

3rd December 2010, 12:43

alright mate

, im in belmont near tesco

4th December 2010, 14:12

still no luck had VJOFURIO

4th December 2010, 14:14

** Up today to see if we can locate the problem with no luck

going to have to get the car towed down to a citroen expert monday to get it on diagostics to find the problem.

4th December 2010, 15:47

Shame we couldn't be of more assistance today - however it was hard to really have a delve into the engine bay with the car marooned outside your house. Like I said I think it could be something related to the wiring loom to the fuel pump or starter system. Fuel pump definitely isn't priming correctly, possibly due to fusing/loom or misinstallation.
Best of luck, let me know when you find the problem with the diagnostics - and bear us in mind for the service we talked about.

Tom

4th December 2010, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by VJOFurio

Shame we couldn't be of more assistance today - however it was hard to really have a delve into the engine bay with the car marooned outside your house. Like I said I think it could be something related to the wiring loom to the fuel pump or starter system. Fuel pump definitely isn't priming correctly, possibly due to fusing/loom or misinstallation.
Best of luck, let me know when you find the problem with the diagnostics - and bear us in mind for the service we talked about.

Tom

no problem atall man

, thanks for popping up anyway

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was going to tow it to a garage today but nowhere was open so doing it monday morning

fancy sending me one of the cmc tuning stickers my way

?

thanks alex

4th December 2010, 17:41

ohh and yeah will deff be coming your way soon for some work

4th December 2010, 23:59

hi ya mate i got same problem pretty sure its the crank sensor thou check voltage across cranksensor should b around 300 ohms mines kickin around 450 ish so been told it might be tht thy am only around 25 pound.
have nmot had chance to try this though due to local motor spares shuttin but most car spares shops have them on sshelf .
hope this helps

5th December 2010, 00:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

The guy says a 'Citroen expert' has looked at it.. so don't think it will be a flat battery.

If it is not turning over and clicking then it will most likely be the starter solenoid, starter itself, starer circuit ... or worst case scenario timing belt gone..

If it is turning over then check red cut off switch, fuel pressure @ injectors, coil pack, crack sensor, fuel?

Immobiliser would not stop it turning over and should make the light flash on the dashboard.

If its still not starting, plug your car in - if it makes a connection with the ECU then read any codes - if its not then check the red cut off switch under the bonnet again, if thats ok then im lost

My 10 Cents.

Happened on my old car, i timed it up completely wrong. I couldn't hear the fuel prime as the fuel pump had gone too (coincidence). Took 3 days to fix it

5th December 2010, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by p16let

hi ya mate i got same problem pretty sure its the crank sensor thou check voltage across cranksensor should b around 300 ohms mines kickin around 450 ish so been told it might be tht thy am only around 25 pound.
have nmot had chance to try this though due to local motor spares shuttin but most car spares shops have them on sshelf .
hope this helps

yeah this is a big posibility, im just gunna take it to a garage now because its stressing me out.
need a couple of things doing anyway(door welded, wheel bearing)
so atleast i know it will be done

thanks

6th December 2010, 13:14

This only gets worse. now the cold weather is getting worse and is currently -8 here, my breaks have completly frozen so im going to have to either wait untill the - weather is over or get a recovery truck and spend £90 doing so.

6th December 2010, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

This only gets worse. now the cold weather is getting worse and is currently -8 here, my breaks have completly frozen so im going to have to either wait untill the - weather is over or get a recovery truck and spend £90 doing so.

Defrost them, or gently rock back and forward

6th December 2010, 14:57

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Originally Posted by Bikekid450

Defrost them, or gently rock back and forward

already tried:L, my back calipers were too close to the disc anyway so the only way you could get the handbreak off was to drive it

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and my wheel bearing went just before the car wouldnt start so thats pretty seized too:/.
think im just going to have to pay the £70odd to get a recovery truck and then sort out everything

6th December 2010, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

already tried:L, my back calipers were too close to the disc anyway so the only way you could get the handbreak off was to drive it

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and my wheel bearing went just before the car wouldnt start so thats pretty seized too:/.
think im just going to have to pay the £70odd to get a recovery truck and then sort out everything

I'd just do the lot, you've gota do it anyway....

6th December 2010, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

think im just going to have to pay the £70odd to get a recovery truck

Can't you just get someone to tow you in? A tenner on a tow rope is better than £70 for not very much mate

6th December 2010, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by outrage_uk

Can't you just get someone to tow you in? A tenner on a tow rope is better than £70 for not very much mate

yeah i know its stupid

, i would of towed it but me and my mum tried this morning and the front wheel is locked completly because of the bearing:/ and the roads are just too icy to tow

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its alright just have to wait untill i get paid and get it all sorted i suppose

6th December 2010, 18:09

Alex why not join the AA? They have home recovery special offer on at the moment, and Marks and Spencers vouchers thrown in. I think you have to wait 24 hours before you can use 'em

6th December 2010, 19:59

^
+1 for the home start recovery idea

9th December 2010, 15:04

yeah seems like a good idea but its still around the same price to pay as to get a recovery here to get it to the garage

9th December 2010, 16:08

Yeah but with recovery you get a nice little card and are covered for the year (when it alllll happens again next winter)..

9th December 2010, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

yeah seems like a good idea but its still around the same price to pay as to get a recovery here to get it to the garage

You said the recovery truck was £90, then £70, but the AA is £36

10th December 2010, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

ohh and yeah will deff be coming your way soon for some work

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexVtrHereford

fancy sending me one of the cmc tuning stickers my way

?

thanks alex

Pop up to the workshop when you get an hour free and we'll slap a sticker on the car for you! Look forward to seeing you soon.

10th December 2010, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Railroader

You said the recovery truck was £90, then £70, but the AA is £36

ahh yeah sorry

, i found a cheaper quote between the two:L its now £70

10th December 2010, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by VJOFurio

Pop up to the workshop when you get an hour free and we'll slap a sticker on the car for you! Look forward to seeing you soon.

alright

, soon as i get it fixxed il pop up to see you and get some work done, need a decent service

4th February 2014, 16:49

Having a very similar issue I think.

The car -
1997 Citroen Saxo X
Keypad immobiliser
No central locking etc...bog standard car.

The problems -
Fuel pump primes
No fuel is getting to the engine
Turns over but doesn't fire
Injection/ignition warning light on dashboard
Assuming sparking as if there was no spark, and fuel was getting in then it'd dump fuel into the exhaust.
Fuel in the tank.
Battery is now dead but jump starting when needed.

I can't seem to find an answer and electrics piss me off!

4th February 2014, 17:42

Mine primes and turns over but no fuel is getting to the engine and the warning light is on...

17th February 2014, 01:37

Crankshaft sensor righted it! :-D