Wat to turbo VTS or VTR???

1. me9997 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11

   #1 10th December 2010, 18:36

   Hey guys im thinking of doin a turbo conversion but unsure wat to do it on the vtr or vts. Wat do you guys think? money isent a problem im unsure witch can take the most power some would think vts but other would say the vtr. But who has done this and wat are you comments. Any help would be grate thanks guys
2. Furio-92 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Newcastle, Ashington Posts: 5086 Cammed and VTR'd Furio. Corsa c - Slammed & Euro

   #2 10th December 2010, 18:38

   A furio
3. LWS_71 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Kent Posts: 752 A written off mini

   #3 10th December 2010, 18:48

   1.5D IMO would see the best gains
   
   Alternatively if money is no object as you have stated then just buy a faster car to start off with?

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4. Furio-92 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Newcastle, Ashington Posts: 5086 Cammed and VTR'd Furio. Corsa c - Slammed & Euro

   #4 10th December 2010, 18:49

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LWS_71 1.5D IMO would see the best gains Alternatively if money is no object as you have stated then just buy a faster car to start off with?

   Booyyaaaahhh! This man's a genius.
5. stacestace55 Established Member Joined: Aug 2010 Essex Posts: 1316 Current car > Saxo VTS 02

   #5 10th December 2010, 18:54

   Yep if money isnt a problem and you like the saxo as a car then Give the car a whole new faster engine. 2.0L Lump! you could attempt to stick in
6. me9997 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11

   #6 10th December 2010, 18:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LWS_71 1.5D IMO would see the best gains Alternatively if money is no object as you have stated then just buy a faster car to start off with?

   
   Money aint a problem but i want a project i dont jsut want a fast car i have a fast car atm. This is a project for me some thing to have a bit of fun with have a play around i dont care if it blows up in a week its some thing for me to do play and break lol Its not some thing i want to build to sell on i want to build it and i want to break it. I want a saxo or simler i want big big power but unsure wat to do jsut a engine swap aint a project for me thats a normal work day i want a turbo/ supercharger project or simler. I dont want to do some thing that jsut any old joey can do if you get me?
7. LWS_71 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Kent Posts: 752 A written off mini

   #7 10th December 2010, 19:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stacestace55 Yep if money isnt a problem and you like the saxo as a car then Give the car a whole new faster engine. 2.0L Lump! you could attempt to stick in

   Straight line yes, corners no I assume your suggesting a gti-6 lump which is abit heavy for the front of a saxo.
   
   Hell if you want a different engine with money no object go with a z cars conversion! VTEC up the rear y0!
8. Matt-T Established Member Joined: Oct 2010 Rednal Posts: 1943 Vauxhall Vectra VW Golf Mk4 Honda Prelude

   #8 10th December 2010, 19:03

   if u want something tht will take u abit longer.....try building a RWD saxo or similar hatch
9. ash-vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 stoke-on-trent Posts: 209 VTS

   #9 10th December 2010, 19:08

   4wd turbo vts. theres a challenge if even possible
10. Matt-T Established Member Joined: Oct 2010 Rednal Posts: 1943 Vauxhall Vectra VW Golf Mk4 Honda Prelude

    #10 10th December 2010, 19:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ash-vts 4wd turbo vts. theres a challenge if even possible

    anything is possible with the right amount of cash time and stupidity
11. me9997 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11

    #11 10th December 2010, 19:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ash-vts 4wd turbo vts. theres a challenge if even possible

    I want some thing that i will be able to have ready for next year to have alot of fun in! I have to work ever day of the week and probs only have 1/2 hrs a day i could have a much around with it. Hense turbo prodject aint that big project but can be done in short time. im jsut unsure with engine would be the best one to do it to vtr or vts i dont care about putin difrent engine in as thats easy job really.
12. LWS_71 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Kent Posts: 752 A written off mini

    #12 10th December 2010, 19:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ash-vts 4wd turbo vts. theres a challenge if even possible

    Didn't they make a 4wd AX? surely that could be adapted to fit a saxo. Would need a fair wedge mind
13. LWS_71 Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Kent Posts: 752 A written off mini

    #13 10th December 2010, 19:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by me9997 I want some thing that i will be able to have ready for next year to have alot of fun in! I have to work ever day of the week and probs only have 1/2 hrs a day i could have a much around with it. Hense turbo prodject aint that big project but can be done in short time. im jsut unsure with engine would be the best one to do it to vtr or vts i dont care about putin difrent engine in as thats easy job really.

    I'm no expert but surely the VTS would be better to turbo with the 8 extra valves and higher standard output.
14. me9997 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11

    #14 10th December 2010, 19:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matt-T anything is possible with the right amount of cash time and stupidity

    It has been done be4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsfYjc2-kFw
15. me9997 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11

    #15 10th December 2010, 19:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LWS_71 I'm no expert but surely the VTS would be better to turbo with the 8 extra valves and higher standard output.

    Again thats wat some would say as it has more power to start with maby the better option some may say the 8v is better to tune for the turbo thats y i am jsut unsure wanted to talk to some people that have done this be for.
16. jeppy24 L-plater Joined: Apr 2010 oxford Posts: 82 black mk2 saxo vtr

    #16 13th December 2010, 13:59

    There are some 106's with 400hp. I recon a vts with a supercharger and a custom inlet (enclosed throttle bodies) would be your best bet!
17. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #17 13th December 2010, 17:04

    MONEY NO OBJECT.
    
    ???
18. user_38022 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 239 106 GTI

    #18 14th December 2010, 20:31

    already a cossie powered 4x4 106 and anything is possible btw. If this isnt a load of bullshit and money really is no object, id speak to atspeedracing and/or gmc.
19. user_47680 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 Cornwall Posts: 236 2001 Saxo VTR

    #19 15th December 2010, 14:34

    I'm with LWS on this one! Maybe add a turbo in the mix aswell Crazy shit, most probably way too much power for such a light car haha.
20. deans2k8 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 gainsborough Posts: 2337 Vectra 2.0t

    #20 15th December 2010, 14:53

    4wd system on the AX was crap wouldnt be worth doing
    
    also you say you already have a 'fast car' what you got?
    
    and how old are you?
21. Gary-VTR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 Colchester/Harwich, Essex Posts: 2208 EG Civic Turbo & CRX Del Sol VTi

    #21 15th December 2010, 14:56

    Corvette-engined Saxo - to rival the Volvette and the Civette!
22. Jungle Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Sheffield Posts: 1206 106 Rallye Turbo

    #22 15th December 2010, 14:58

    If moneys no object then big power 4wd turbo beast!
23. user_9396 Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 torquay (England) Posts: 1993 supercharged vts. 1.1 saxo. accord type r

    #23 15th December 2010, 15:01

    vtr or vts doesnt really matter, if money is no problem, all internals will be swapped anyway. vts starts with more power and tend to run more power due to it gets more air and fuel. it has 8 more valves to start with. but there are plenty big power rs aswell so its personal preferance m8
24. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #24 15th December 2010, 15:17

    you need to get a Lady Charger
25. loudandproud205 Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 lincs Posts: 1044 205 Dimma, MR2 turbo Range Rover, Laguna

    #25 15th December 2010, 18:28

    Errm I went a bought a car already boosted, there not always all that.
    
    vts turbo and if money is no object then aim 600bhp with lots of breakages, then go destroying these so called faster car's
26. user_21226 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 wirral Posts: 6348 Icelandic vtr turbo

    #26 15th December 2010, 18:47

    ill be the first to say this then ..... this thread is bullshit, this money no object bollocks always pop up from time to time and never go anywhere

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27. Jungle Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Sheffield Posts: 1206 106 Rallye Turbo

    #27 16th December 2010, 11:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rorz_vts ill be the first to say this then ..... this thread is bullshit, this money no object bollocks always pop up from time to time and never go anywhere

    Aww dont be mean at least humor the guy, we all no he's talkin shit

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28. c2gtturbo Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1

    #28 25th December 2010, 21:10

    i have a c2 gt 1.6 16v turbo running just shy of 180bhp on standard internals and thats fun but im currently turboing a saxo vtr and that seems alot more simple and easyer loads more room and ment to be a much stronger engine more power last longer
29. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #29 26th December 2010, 13:46

    4WD Turbo AX has been done on the continent with good effect - why do you think its crap?
    
    I think the "money no object" phrase is so we don't let money sway opinion 8v may be a better cost option etc etc...
    
    so answer the question within his parameters:
    
    VTR or VTS to turbo
    To build himself (not ATS etc - he's already explained why)
    his age doesn't matter
    
    I'd prefer VTS to turbo, manufacturers use more valves for good reasons. Better flowing, revvier and higher peak power, wider rev band etc.
30. e8_pqck Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo

    #30 26th December 2010, 13:51

    From cit sport site (via SSC):
    
    "The AX cars were looking wild and dangerous. They had a lot of power. One of the cars, the AX 1400 Turbo 4x4 had a 1470cc engine (enlarged standard 1360cc block) which was able to deliver over around 300hp which is a lot. For the 1992 season tuner Denis Mathiot had created a 1905cc 16V Turbo engine for this car to replace the 1470cc.
    This new engine could deliver around 470hp. When considering the car's weight of only 960kg, the performance was phenomenal. During the race at Faux-Bergerac (July 1991) Chateaux crashed his AX 1700. It was damaged so badly that the driver retired for the rest of the season and sold the car to Christophe Vaison. Vaison managed to get the car fixed again by the end of the season and used the AX 1700. However during free-practice the AX encountered severe technical problems due to not being fully recovered from the crash. "