engine conversion

1. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

   #1 13th December 2010, 15:11

   got a vts engine to put into my vtr can anyone tell me if i need the ignition barrel and key got the loom and ecu? can get the barrel if i need to
2. ashleyoneill Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Chippenham, Wiltshire Posts: 796 Mk2 Wicked Red VTS

   #2 13th December 2010, 15:20

   If it is an unlocked ECU then take the immobiliser box off your VTR before you put the new engine in. This will however leave the car with no immobiliser. This is by far the easiest way to do it and you wont need anything other than the unlocked ECU from the VTS.
   
   If its a locked ECU then post back and i will explain.

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3. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

   #3 13th December 2010, 15:20

   nah m8
4. matt_wolves Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Braunton Posts: 330 BLACK SAXO VT?

   #4 13th December 2010, 15:21

   if the ecu u have got is not unlocked then yes you will need the ignition barrel and the key

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5. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

   #5 13th December 2010, 15:23

   can get that no problem anyway got the engine of my m8. any other tips u can give me that i will need to know for doing this?
6. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

   #6 13th December 2010, 15:26

   nah m8 not unlocked could u tell me wat i will need 2 do it
7. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

   #7 13th December 2010, 15:38

   phoned my m8 defo not unlocked m8 be a great help if u can tell me wat i will need to get this fitted and running cheers
8. ashleyoneill Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Chippenham, Wiltshire Posts: 796 Mk2 Wicked Red VTS

   #8 13th December 2010, 15:44

   Right. If its locked.
   
   You need the following from the donor car. This will mean you have a working immobiliser.
   
   - If you don't mind using a separate key to start it.
   
   ECU, Immobiliser box, Ignition Barrel, Keys, Immobiliser pickup ring (for good measure)
   
   - If you want to have the same key for all locks etc
   
   ECU, Immobiliser box, Ignition Barrel, Keys, Immobiliser pickup ring (for good measure) and all the locks from the other doors.
   
   Alternatively, get the ECU unlocked. Your friend should of unlocked it by unplugging the immobiliser box with the engine running really before he took the engine out.

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9. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

   #9 13th December 2010, 15:51

   any other ways of doing it without having a working imobiliser? cheers
10. ashleyoneill Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Chippenham, Wiltshire Posts: 796 Mk2 Wicked Red VTS

    #10 13th December 2010, 16:01

    Not really. Only other possibility is...
    
    1) Put the engine back in the car it came from
    2) Start the engine.
    3) Unplug little black immobiliser box
    4) Stop engine.
    5) Try starting engine again to see if it works okay without the immobiliser box.
    6) ECU is unlocked
    
    If you were to do that then don't put the unlocked ECU into a car with an immobiliser box because it will lock it again.
    
    I suggest you pay to have it sent away and unlocked and then it will always stay unlocked regardless of whether you have an immobiliser box in the car. That's the least painful way.
    
    PM ryanmt as i believe he offers an ECU unlocking service.
11. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

    #11 13th December 2010, 16:04

    thanks m8
12. l1ukeRS Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2005 Telford United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3962 Focus RS Saxo Vtr

    #12 14th December 2010, 11:33

    you will also need to make up a fuel return or use the vts one, dependant on if you have one or not
    
    is the engine you have out of the same MK saxo as yours as in MK1 VTS to MK1 vtr?
    
    if not you will have fun splicing the wires together
13. ashleyoneill Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Chippenham, Wiltshire Posts: 796 Mk2 Wicked Red VTS

    #13 14th December 2010, 11:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by l1ukeRS if not you will have fun splicing the wires together

    This is a 100% sure way not to have a working conversion unless you are a seriously pro auto electrician and mechanic.
    
    I find generally when people are doing 16v conversions that they do it the quickest way possible and then come on here wondering why it does not work properly.
    
    When i did my friends 106 16v conversion we did the following and all properly. Takes a long time if you do it all to manufacturer spec but definitely worth it.
    
    1) Engine
    2) 16v cooling setup
    3) 16v fuel return setup
    4) Suspension components - arms, struts, ARBs etc
    5) 16v brake setup including disc to drum beam swap
    6) Lowering
    7) Digital dials conversion
    8) Fuel tank and pump change
    
    Only thing left of the original 106 Quicksilver is the shell haha.
14. jdaly1989 Newbie Joined: Dec 2010 kincardine Posts: 11 t reg saxo vtr

    #14 14th December 2010, 15:28

    na m8 phase 2 106 gti it came out ov