May have a pretty major problem!! Gearbox, Engine, clutch?!?!?!!

1. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

   #1 15th December 2010, 23:10

   Im driving along down the road and i reach an incline, maintaining my high gear (5th) i cruise up but as im going up the engine pulls at a low rpm and then something slips and sends it about 1k higher for about a second then it dipped back down again, i noticed it did this so when i got on the motorway i tried it normally, 5th gear low RPM foot to the floor and it slips 1k revs, i tried it in 4th and 3rd to check its not the gear and it does it still...
   
   This happened before in my last saxo and it eventually got so bad that i had to replace the clutch and gearbox because it slipped and wouldnt catch on at all, it was a worn clutch and the gearbox had shredded up.
   
   My theories:
   
   Clutch worn
   
   Gearbox shredded
   
   clutch cable tention too high thus not engaging it fully.
   
   My main confusion is that it doesnt do this at high RPM with my foot down, just low where i have less tourque??... how comes?
   
   Any help will be incredibly helpful as i have had some pretty hefty bills from such problems in the past.
2. user_40784 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 London Posts: 2768

   #2 15th December 2010, 23:16

   So the slipping happens in all gears only when your slightly heavy with the accelerator? Im assuming it doesnt happen when your constantly level on the accelerator?
   
   TBH sounds like a worn clutch to me.
3. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

   #3 15th December 2010, 23:18

   Yes just when im heavy footed, but as far as i can tell only at low rpm too..?
4. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

   #4 15th December 2010, 23:19

   The thing is i have no noises.. i thought worn clutches made noises when ticking over etc?
5. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

   #5 15th December 2010, 23:24

   Looks like its clutch.. good old youtube.. this is pretty much exactly what happens, except mine only slips a little, 1k rpm for a sec and also i dont have such a retarded voice.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijhrD...eature=related
6. user_40784 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 London Posts: 2768

   #6 15th December 2010, 23:26

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by KieranYeh Yes just when im heavy footed, but as far as i can tell only at low rpm too..?

   Clutch slip can happen at any rev range.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by KieranYeh The thing is i have no noises.. i thought worn clutches made noises when ticking over etc?

   A worn clutch plate itself wont make any noises, just means theres very little/no friction..hence the revs increasing then dropping back down when your pushing the accelerator hard

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7. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

   #7 15th December 2010, 23:30

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by johnr32 Clutch slip can happen at any rev range. A worn clutch plate itself wont make any noises, just means theres very little/no friction..hence the revs increasing then dropping back down when your pushing the accelerator hard

   Thanks for the help mate, i know how it all works and stuff.. ive had some experience in this field before
   Last time i had a shredded gearbox due to a downshifting fanatic previous owner.
   Just hoping i didnt have this all over!
   Thanks again pal
   Check the video, thats what it does..
8. user_38198 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 West Mids Posts: 1847 Peugeot 106 1.1

   #8 15th December 2010, 23:34

   Yeah thats a slipping clutch. The noise when ticking over you are thinking is the clutch release bearing which makes a noise until you put your clutch in.

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9. bengtt5 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172

   #9 15th December 2010, 23:40

   remeber if you put your foot down when your at low rpm going uphil theres more load on the clutch than say putting your foot down at high rpm going downhill
10. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

    #10 15th December 2010, 23:40

    that was helpful cheers buddy
    
    Another quick one.. how much would it cost to replace? Not the part but the labour?
    Nationwide just online quoted me £528 LMFAO.
    I could do it myself ffs xD
    I cba to get my nails broken so yeah, any ideas what a garage would charge? cant be more than £100...
11. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

    #11 15th December 2010, 23:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bengtt5 remeber if you put your foot down when your at low rpm going uphil theres more load on the clutch than say putting your foot down at high rpm going downhill

    That will explain it..
    cheers
12. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #12 15th December 2010, 23:44

    £110 is going rate.

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13. tom_lloyd_4 Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90

    #13 16th December 2010, 00:05

    deff a worn cluch ide get it chainged before it goes have had one go on me pulled up at traffic lights and no been able to pull away not fun
14. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #14 16th December 2010, 00:43

    £110, where do you go?
    
    I charge £190, thats a genuine valeo clutch fully fitted (not a crap cheap one that's gonna judder and slip).
15. user_37545 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.

    #15 16th December 2010, 08:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KrisB £110, where do you go? I charge £190, thats a genuine valeo clutch fully fitted (not a crap cheap one that's gonna judder and slip).

    Thats just labour though, i think if i quote it at the garage down the road the last time it was £200 for service, clutch and gearbox replacment.
    whats your price just labour kris?
16. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

    #16 16th December 2010, 10:29

    about £100 labour, clutches were about £100 last time i checked
17. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #17 18th December 2010, 00:15

    £190 all in, so thats clutch, oil and labour,
    
    Kris
18. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #18 18th December 2010, 03:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KrisB £110, where do you go? I charge £190, thats a genuine valeo clutch fully fitted (not a crap cheap one that's gonna judder and slip).

    No where I fit them myself.
    
    £110 for labour.