No heat at all?

1. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

   #1 20th December 2010, 07:43

   Well basically was fine last night at 7pm car was working fine & car heating was working fine. Woke up this morning early to warm my car up to defrost as its around -10 here. Then after 10 minutes the car wasnt warming up so i had to set off to work and takes around 15 minutes to get to work and once arriving still blowing cold air, Then getting out of my car i realised that my fan was going so i pulled it out and now im at work and deciding what to do next, any ideas?
2. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #2 20th December 2010, 09:41

   Check the coolant level 1st then bleed the cooling system looks like you`ve got an air lock.
   
   Steve.
3. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

   #3 20th December 2010, 09:44

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevo67 Check the coolant level 1st then bleed the cooling system looks like you`ve got an air lock. Steve.

   Thanks for the reply mate, Theres enough water in the rad but ill just check again, Do you bleed the rad or the pipe?
4. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #4 20th December 2010, 11:36

   Theres 3 bleed nipples on the pipes if you have a search there is a guide for doing it.
   
   Steve.
5. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

   #5 20th December 2010, 11:49

   Thanks mate i shall try that, I have also noticed that my my turn my car so all lights so up the temp light never lights up this has been like this for 1 year now so dont think that is the problem, But i shall bleed the rad i have got a guide so ill use that! Thanks
   
   EDIT: just a question on this guide it says this
   
   Keep the water and antifreeze going in until a trickle of water shoots out of the first bleeding point without stopping... do this for the other 2 and then leave car on fast idle (1000rpm) until the fan kicks in 2 or 3 times...
   
   Do i put the nipple back on the first 1 until it starts trickling out of the 2nd then close up the 2nd then same as third?
6. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #6 20th December 2010, 13:46

   EDIT: just a question on this guide it says this
   
   Keep the water and antifreeze going in until a trickle of water shoots out of the first bleeding point without stopping... do this for the other 2 and then leave car on fast idle (1000rpm) until the fan kicks in 2 or 3 times...
   
   Do i put the nipple back on the first 1 until it starts trickling out of the 2nd then close up the 2nd then same as third?
   Last edited by tally2425; Today at 11:53.
   
   
   Yes mate until theres no air bubbles.
   
   Steve.
7. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

   #7 20th December 2010, 13:59

   Ok mate ill bleed the system tonight, ill post back on this thread with an update keep checking it thanks mate
8. bengtt5 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172

   #8 20th December 2010, 14:01

   has it frozen up!!!!!!
9. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

   #9 20th December 2010, 14:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by bengtt5 has it frozen up!!!!!!

   im not sure , it could have going to bleed it all first tho see what happens and mabey my theromstat might be bust
10. ashw106rallye Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 south molton Posts: 555 s1 white rallye 16v s1 cherry red rallye 16v

    #10 20th December 2010, 14:12

    sounds like you need to bleed you system dude
11. SidnySaxo Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 369 00 VTR Saxo

    #11 20th December 2010, 14:19

    I have the same problem mate with no heat at all... Its the pipes are froze over,mine will tick over and all but the temp will shoot up.. Dont leave ur car runnin as the water isnt gettin through to all the parts it needs to and it will burst ur rad.. Let it defrost,that could take a while but its natin to serious i had to mechanics look at my vtr an hour ago and both said it was froze over..
12. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #12 20th December 2010, 14:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ashw106rallye sounds like you need to bleed you system dude

    I hope so mate!, Car seems to be running fine so dont think its frozen up going to bleed it tonight and hope for the best , Whats the chances its frozon in these conditions?
13. SidnySaxo Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 369 00 VTR Saxo

    #13 20th December 2010, 14:21

    It was -17 last night mate what wudnt freeze
14. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #14 20th December 2010, 14:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SidnySaxo It was -17 last night mate what wudnt freeze

    haha true
15. bengtt5 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172

    #15 20th December 2010, 14:22

    if bleeding doesnt work remove the bottom rad hose and drain as much as you can then refill with warmish water and antifreeze or u can flush with warm water to defrost but not to hot though
16. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #16 20th December 2010, 14:25

    Ill bleed it first guys, Will be bleeding it after work which will be around 5.30 so ill be posting on here later on tonight!
17. SidnySaxo Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 369 00 VTR Saxo

    #17 20th December 2010, 14:30

    Dont bother bleeding it mate waste ov time.. Its the pipe behind the head thats froze and its hassel to get at it to remove and de-freeze
18. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #18 20th December 2010, 14:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SidnySaxo Dont bother bleeding it mate waste ov time.. Its the pipe behind the head thats froze and its hassel to get at it to remove and de-freeze

    What are you suggesting i do?
19. bengtt5 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172

    #19 20th December 2010, 14:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bengtt5 if bleeding doesnt work remove the bottom rad hose and drain as much as you can then refill with warmish water and antifreeze or u can flush with warm water to defrost but not to hot though

    ^^^^^
20. MunkyBoy Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Maldon Posts: 2033 1. MK2 Chalked VT'd 1.1 2. MK1 VTS

    #20 20th December 2010, 14:45

    Mine was frozen this morning. I flushed it through with warm water, and rebleed with with a stronger mixture of antifreeze and water.
    
    Seems to have picked back up now.
21. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #21 20th December 2010, 14:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SidnySaxo Dont bother bleeding it mate waste ov time.. Its the pipe behind the head thats froze and its hassel to get at it to remove and de-freeze

    Don`t talk cr@p mate I have worked in a garage so do know a little
    
    Steve.
22. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #22 20th December 2010, 14:48

    Going to bleed it first , if thats doesnt work then warm water it is!
23. bengtt5 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172

    #23 20th December 2010, 14:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tally2425 Going to bleed it first , if thats doesnt work then warm water it is!

    just not boiling water though
24. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #24 20th December 2010, 14:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bengtt5 just not boiling water though

    Ok mate
25. SidnySaxo Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 369 00 VTR Saxo

    #25 20th December 2010, 15:58

    No need to drain the pipes.. Leave the car goin for 5-7mins.. Knock it off and leave it for 20min.. Do the same again once more and leave for 20min.. Thats what i done for mine and its back as good as ever...
26. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #26 20th December 2010, 16:04

    I need to soon mate so gota use the fast option, If bleeding doesnt work shall i just add warm water while the car is running and just basically flood it? or add it while the car isnt running? sorry im not that good with cars give me a computer any day
27. MunkyBoy Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Maldon Posts: 2033 1. MK2 Chalked VT'd 1.1 2. MK1 VTS

    #27 20th December 2010, 16:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SidnySaxo No need to drain the pipes.. Leave the car goin for 5-7mins.. Knock it off and leave it for 20min.. Do the same again once more and leave for 20min.. Thats what i done for mine and its back as good as ever...

    Dont do this.
    
    If you don't have any water left in the system, can damage the block.
    
    If the engine gets hot before the water in the pipes has defrosted, then surely you will turn the water to steam... and the pressure will damage the rad / pipes?
    
    Just do as we said, and rebleed the system... then you don't have to worry about doing anything else again.
28. MunkyBoy Established Member Joined: Nov 2009 Maldon Posts: 2033 1. MK2 Chalked VT'd 1.1 2. MK1 VTS

    #28 20th December 2010, 16:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tally2425 I need to soon mate so gota use the fast option, If bleeding doesnt work shall i just add warm water while the car is running and just basically flood it? or add it while the car isnt running? sorry im not that good with cars give me a computer any day

    Bleeding will work.
    
    Drain the system, add warm water to the rad (not boiling) and blow through until it comes out of the last bleed point. This will show its not getting stuck anywhere.
    
    Then mix up your antifreeze mixture and bleed properly with the points in the right order.
    
    Run engine on a fast idle (1200 ish) for a while until the fan kicks in, and also turn your heaters on hot inside to get water moving around.
29. SidnySaxo Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 369 00 VTR Saxo

    #29 20th December 2010, 18:12

    There is no need to bleed it just do as i say and it will be 100%
30. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #30 20th December 2010, 19:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SidnySaxo There is no need to bleed it just do as i say and it will be 100%

    Matey I think you need to ask santa very nicely for a Haynes workshop manual,doing what your suggesting=cracked block
    
    
    Steve.
31. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #31 20th December 2010, 19:17

    I have got warm air coming through now but it goes cold then warm then cold again is this normal?
32. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #32 20th December 2010, 19:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tally2425 I have got warm air coming through now but it goes cold then warm then cold again is this normal?

    You need to keep bleeding the cooling system so that its hot air all the time sounds like you`ve still got air in the system.
    
    Steve.
33. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #33 20th December 2010, 19:24

    which nipple is best to bleed from the dust cap 1 or the 1 near the engine?
34. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #34 20th December 2010, 19:29

    Theres 3 mate 2 are nipples the other one is on the thermostat housing and is an allen key do them in sequence as the guide says there is knowone best nipple to use mate.
    
    Steve.
35. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #35 20th December 2010, 20:24

    Car is now running with fully hot and working , now just letting the car idle for 15minutes hopefully the fan will have turned off
36. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #36 20th December 2010, 20:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tally2425 Car is now running with fully hot and working , now just letting the car idle for 15minutes hopefully the fan will have turned off

    Nice 1 mate glad you got it fixed
    
    Steve.
37. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #37 20th December 2010, 20:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 Nice 1 mate glad you got it fixed Steve.

    Thanks mate been a real help and thanks to all the others
    
    Also my fan hasnt turned off yet and it has been 15 mintues haha is this normal?
38. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #38 20th December 2010, 20:52

    Turn the engine off the fan should switch off in a few mins.
    
    Steve.
39. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #39 20th December 2010, 20:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 Turn the engine off the fan should switch off in a few mins. Steve.

    Turned car off and its gone off WOOO!!!!
    
    Thanks mate!
40. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #40 21st December 2010, 06:57

    Happend again this morning , Was fine last night looked like it was going to hold out went for a little drive and it was warm woke up this morning to have a look and its still blowing cold air, Looks like well have to bleed it all again, am i right?
41. user_42401 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Cupar Fife Posts: 1712 1600 16v VTS 1600 8v VTR 1400 16v Clio Sport

    #41 21st December 2010, 14:44

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    ur thermostats frozen and u have an air lock, remove ur themostat, inside the housing, the bit that joins the top hose to the mount its in there, build it back up with out it in there, bleed ur system going, rad, then housing (allen key) then the one ontop of the hose behind the ctiming belt cover, it looks like a tyre valve cap, make sure water comes out before moving onto the next and if none does squeese the hoses, then top up the top up. i use a 50/50 mix of antifreese. then it will work lol, all you will need is to buy a new 88 thermostat, only 6 pound, car will be fine without it, it will just take longer to warm up as its useing all the water to cool instead of a percentage.
    
    im 99 persent sure this iss ur problem
    
    p.s the tanks buttons down there VVV
42. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #42 21st December 2010, 14:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaxSpeed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ur thermostats frozen and u have an air lock, remove ur themostat, inside the housing, the bit that joins the top hose to the mount its in there, build it back up with out it in there, bleed ur system going, rad, then housing (allen key) then the one ontop of the hose behind the ctiming belt cover, it looks like a tyre valve cap, make sure water comes out before moving onto the next and if none does squeese the hoses, then top up the top up. i use a 50/50 mix of antifreese. then it will work lol, all you will need is to buy a new 88 thermostat, only 6 pound, car will be fine without it, it will just take longer to warm up as its useing all the water to cool instead of a percentage. im 99 persent sure this iss ur problem p.s the tanks buttons down there VVV

    Thanks mate . there is no allen key bit haha
43. user_42401 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Cupar Fife Posts: 1712 1600 16v VTS 1600 8v VTR 1400 16v Clio Sport

    #43 21st December 2010, 14:58

    thats on a vtr lol not sure about the 1.1
44. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #44 21st December 2010, 15:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaxSpeed thats on a vtr lol not sure about the 1.1

    ok mate, also theres no thanks button
45. makkie_d L-plater Joined: Dec 2010 cambridge Posts: 85 01 plate saxo vtr in posiedon blue.

    #45 21st December 2010, 18:04

    iv got the same problem, and its fuckin me off!! its had a new thermostat and iv bled it 3 times and it ent doing shit, its still arctic in the car too so im gunna sort a water pump out and that shud do the trick.
46. user_42401 Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Cupar Fife Posts: 1712 1600 16v VTS 1600 8v VTR 1400 16v Clio Sport

    #46 21st December 2010, 18:06

    just leave ur thermostat out......
47. ash-vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 stoke-on-trent Posts: 209 VTS

    #47 21st December 2010, 18:10

    ignore this
48. user_30040 Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Bridlington Posts: 1496 Audi A3

    #48 21st December 2010, 18:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by makkie_d iv got the same problem, and its fuckin me off!! its had a new thermostat and iv bled it 3 times and it ent doing shit, its still arctic in the car too so im gunna sort a water pump out and that shud do the trick.

    got mine working just felt both pipes as i come home from work now, which they shouldnt so turned car on pumped the pipe and suddenly there got hot and now the car is warm so i bleeded it aswell so hopefully its all sorted now
49. makkie_d L-plater Joined: Dec 2010 cambridge Posts: 85 01 plate saxo vtr in posiedon blue.

    #49 21st December 2010, 19:07

    if you solve this shitter of a problem please tell me how because iv tried everything and no joy. worst part is my rad is stone cold at the bottom?? wass up with that when both pipes either side are hot?!?!?!?