Magnet says no, its a 1.4 :)

  1. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Yesterday i had a saxp meet with a few sportifs and one vtr owner, I own a 1.4, I let the owner of the 1.6 8v give my car a go and he said its got to be a 1.6 due to how it went, i had a suspicion it could have been converted as prior to this car i have had a furio and it wouldnt stand a chance against this one.
    It was either i had a vtr engine or it was mapped, i was told its been remapped but he didnt go into details so i didnt really beleive him.
    Everything is pointing to the conversion simply because the speed of it and the fact i have 140mph dials in it that measure accurate.
    For a start i could have never taken a furio past 105/110, in this i touched 120 and it could have kept going..


    My question is:
    How do i tell if ive had a vtr conversion?
    What significant differences are there?
    is there a different head size in mm?
    an engine code somewhere?
    certain wireing features?
    Im not sure what to look for so anything a vtr has that a furio doesnt that i can see without taking the engine apart and getting a measuring jug out would be great!
  2. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064
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    Pic of engine?
  3. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    I dont atm no....
  4. Established Member Joined: Feb 2007 Woodley, Reading Posts: 1322 www.thatpanelbeater.co.uk
    #4
    vtr engine - http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...:0&tx=84&ty=57

    Vts - http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur...1t:429,r:6,s:0
  5. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
    #5
    Its not an S conversion you bellend xD

    Furio - R conversion
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  6. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 walsall Posts: 479 mk4 golf gti 1.8 turbo (AUM)
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    have a look at this link mate
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87916
    see if your engine is the same, thats how i found out , those are the different vtr engines and if you can take a photo post one up mate and guys here will let you know
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  7. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Doesnt look like any of those, the dipstic is the same as the single plug engine but its a 3 plug ecu.. ill do some research quick
  8. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Ive taken some pictures of the engine, as you can see its got a 3 plug ecu and a dipstic that sits to the right of the manifold.
    Furio engines have the dipstic come up the front between the 4 pipes..
    so this would suggest its a late vtr engine, however the late ones are single plug..
    now im confused D:

    Heres the number on the engine





  9. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
    #9
    furio engine:

  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Kent Posts: 8205 :(s)rac
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    Late VTR engines are 3 plugs, pre-2001 are single plugs..
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a
    #11
    As above, late engines are 3 plug. Earlier ones are single like mine.

    Looks like you've either got a nippy furio or it's had a late vtr engine (98bhp standard).
  12. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2010 South Wales Posts: 3078 ZX 16v, 205 GTI, 309 Goodwood, 405 MI16.
    #12
    or his car is fooked?
  13. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
    #13
    Its a furio engine, heres a late furio engine:

    The earlier furio engines have a different location for the dipstic.

    mines a late one so its got this engine



  14. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KieranYeh View Post
    Its a furio engine, heres a late furio engine:

    The earlier furio engines have a different location for the dipstic.

    mines a late one so its got this engine




    Thats the same as mine..W reg vtr... 3 plug.
  15. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by welshpug View Post
    or his car is fooked?
    3 owners, 52 plate on 50k miles
  16. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by char69lie View Post
    Thats the same as mine..W reg vtr... 3 plug.
    have you got a lambda sensor on the top of the mani and the dipstic on the right side of the mani?
  17. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #17


    Mine...

    Can anyone tell me what is that hose going under the ECU cover? ive seen people replace it.. but dont know where it goes.. what it is ect?
  18. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by char69lie View Post


    Mine...

    Can anyone tell me what is that hose going under the ECU cover? ive seen people replace it.. but dont know where it goes.. what it is ect?

    no lambda sensor on the mani.. and are you sure its a 3 plug?
  19. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #19
    Tbh.. im probably wrong.. someone did tell me.. i got told i have digi dials.. and the oppersite loom or something..
  20. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 walsall Posts: 479 mk4 golf gti 1.8 turbo (AUM)
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    mines the same as those but single plug ecu
    dipstick on the right and lamba in the manifold
    cat in the exhaust and not in the manifold
    i was told on here mines a early silver top vtr
    not the first type vtr but the 2nd type out of the 3
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  21. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
    #21
    yeah your the pre 2001 engine, mine is mani cat so its a furio, just didnt look like one due to everything else
  22. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 Devizes Posts: 836 Saxo furio - X312HBK Peugeot 206GTI -J44KBX
    #22
    i had this question a while back mate as my furio it goes far to well for a furio and kept up with my mates vtr's and a 1.6 xsi and they drove mine and said its got something done to it and when i had to buy new disc's i was like why has it got a 283mm front brakes so surely it must have something done to it and i then found out that it wasnt a powerflow backbox it was a powerflow de-cat back and it did have a cold air feed which i took off as it looked shite and then after digging threw a whole load of recipts and taking to the girl i bought it off i found a recipt for fitting of a ph3 cam and the other week i again found out when i went to a place to see if i can get my head gas flowed ported ect.. that it had already been to this place and had the gas flowed ported head fitted that that they did back in 2008 for it , so do some digging you will find some info bud
  23. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 walsall Posts: 479 mk4 golf gti 1.8 turbo (AUM)
    #23
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KieranYeh View Post
    yeah your the pre 2001 engine, mine is mani cat so its a furio, just didnt look like one due to everything else
    mk2 vtr has cat in the mani too
  24. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Pontefract Posts: 2177
    #24
    All 8v's look the same to me
  25. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172
    #25
    coz they are
    apart from the engine numbers and the cc
  26. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172
    #26
    write down your engine number and phone citroen
  27. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 walsall Posts: 479 mk4 golf gti 1.8 turbo (AUM)
    #27
    should be a code on the engine somewhere
    not the numbers but a code
  28. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
    #28
    I'll take a look, im pretty sure its a 1.4, just well maintained and a few performance mods.. not sure on the remap but it kept up with a rallye like nobodies business

    They all look the same, the only difference between a 1.4 and 1.6 is the 1.4 has smaller cylinders as they are wet lined (sleeved) cylinders thus less displacment
  29. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 livingston Posts: 4174 Honda CRX!
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ashbuster View Post
    mk2 vtr has cat in the mani too
    no, the 90bhp engine has the cat under the car, the 98bhp engine has the cat in the mani and the 1.4 8v has the cat in the mani
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD
    #30
    nobody thought to look at the inlet manifold?
  31. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 Devizes Posts: 836 Saxo furio - X312HBK Peugeot 206GTI -J44KBX
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dougieph2 View Post
    no, the 90bhp engine has the cat under the car, the 98bhp engine has the cat in the mani and the 1.4 8v has the cat in the mani
    No it doesnt the cars that are 2000 is the crossover year between the mk1 and mk2 so mk1 cat undercar and mk2 cat in mani as mine is a mk2 but as mine is the crossover year my cat is under the car hence me having a de-cat and not having a 421 mani as if it was a cat in the mani i would have a 421 to de cat it
  32. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 Milton Keynes Posts: 286 106 Quicksilver [DIED], Posi Furio atm.
    #32
    My furio is quite punchy too
  33. Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2004 Denny United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 666 Ford focus 2.0 Saxo VTS
    #33
    furios have alloy block vtr has iron block get your magnet out
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  34. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 livingston Posts: 4174 Honda CRX!
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SAXO8VYO View Post
    No it doesnt the cars that are 2000 is the crossover year between the mk1 and mk2 so mk1 cat undercar and mk2 cat in mani as mine is a mk2 but as mine is the crossover year my cat is under the car hence me having a de-cat and not having a 421 mani as if it was a cat in the mani i would have a 421 to de cat it
    you kind of contradicted yourself there..

    the crossover was roughly between april - may of 2001.. i had a Y reg mk2, registered in the january of 2001, it had a 90bhp engine which comes with the cat under the car.. a friend of mine also had a mk2 which was registered in may 2001 and that had a 98bhp engine, which came with the cat in the manifold..
  35. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Furioman View Post
    furios have alloy block vtr has iron block get your magnet out
    +1 can't believe no-one mentioned that previously
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #36
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dougieph2 View Post
    you kind of contradicted yourself there..

    the crossover was roughly between april - may of 2001.. i had a Y reg mk2, registered in the january of 2001, it had a 90bhp engine which comes with the cat under the car.. a friend of mine also had a mk2 which was registered in may 2001 and that had a 98bhp engine, which came with the cat in the manifold..
    i think hes talking about his 1.4 not vtr engine
    either way this thread is confusing lol as already stated get your magnet out and find out and let us know lol
  37. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    +1 can't believe no-one mentioned that previously
    would have been helpful this morning. Gha..
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172
    #38
    would have if i'd been here lol
  39. Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2010 bournemouth Posts: 272 ph2 clio 172
    #39
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by chinkostu View Post
    nobody thought to look at the inlet manifold?
    whats the difference
  40. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0
    #40
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ashbuster View Post
    mines the same as those but single plug ecu
    dipstick on the right and lamba in the manifold
    cat in the exhaust and not in the manifold
    i was told on here mines a early silver top vtr
    not the first type vtr but the 2nd type out of the 3
    Yeh yours is. Not sure what this one is lol.


    To be honest, you can change Dip sticks, I changed mine when I broke it, so if may not be where it's meant to be anyway.

    The Engines all look very similar Are their any signs of an Engine change? Such as damaged bolts, clean patches etc... You know what I mean lol
  41. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Furioman View Post
    furios have alloy block vtr has iron block get your magnet out
    And there's that...
  42. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
    #42
    Magnet says weeeeeee -falls-

    Its a furio engine
  43. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 View Post
    would have if i'd been here lol
    Thanks for the confirmation anywho mate
  44. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KieranYeh View Post
    I'll take a look, im pretty sure its a 1.4, just well maintained and a few performance mods.. not sure on the remap but it kept up with a rallye like nobodies business

    They all look the same, the only difference between a 1.4 and 1.6 is the 1.4 has smaller cylinders as they are wet lined (sleeved) cylinders thus less displacment
    VTR Engine: Not Wet Liner.
  45. Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 Southampton, UK Posts: 1908 Po-Low.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bikekid450 View Post
    VTR Engine: Not Wet Liner.
    Exactly my point, thanks for the confirmation

    1.4 = wet liner

    Or so im told
  46. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0
    #46
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KieranYeh View Post
    Exactly my point, thanks for the confirmation

    1.4 = wet liner

    Or so im told
    Lol I think so yeh mate.

    Liner: