value 4 money?

23rd December 2010, 23:06

Just wondering what mods for my 'R' will give the best gains for the
price paid? On a budget really... but got induction and cat back.

23rd December 2010, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by makkie_d

Just wondering what mods for my 'R' will give the best gains for the
price paid? On a budget really... but got induction and cat back.

money to power ratio is always the vts conversion but get it handling and braking well before you go power hunting

23rd December 2010, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by makkie_d

Just wondering what mods for my 'R' will give the best gains for the
price paid? On a budget really... but got induction and cat back.

Just sell it and get a VTS. Also Pug 206 Gti's are cheap

24th December 2010, 00:16

Like people have said faster standard cars is normally a good way to go. If your after significantly more power in the same car best bang for buck is boost. It may not be cheap but you can easily double your power.

24th December 2010, 00:25

Good set of tyres

24th December 2010, 03:35

depends on how much you got to spend really mate. but easy option is what shuggles said drop vts in it

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24th December 2010, 05:05

If your on a budget, de cat, lowered, good tires.
If you have a bit more money add a vts conversion/cams/nos.
If you've Got loads of money turbo/sc

24th December 2010, 08:25

Nitrous. Best power:money you can buy.

24th December 2010, 08:33

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Originally Posted by Railroader

Just sell it and get a VTS. Also Pug 206 Gti's are cheap

206gti 180's arent that cheap though, and the normal gti's are shit

24th December 2010, 08:53

Strip the car, that will give you your biggest gain for free

24th December 2010, 09:53

Really need to know the budget, a good service can help, otherwise id be looking at either brakes or tyres before any engine changes.

24th December 2010, 11:05

lowering, centre pipe and manifold, i aint got the manifold so i cant speak 100% for it, but like an extra 5 bhp aint it?

24th December 2010, 13:30

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Originally Posted by DusheR

Nitrous. Best power:money you can buy.

Not really as N2O costs so much. Try doing a day at the track and you will have spent more on gas then you did fitting the kit.

24th December 2010, 13:41

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Originally Posted by AXracing

Not really as N2O costs so much. Try doing a day at the track and you will have spent more on gas then you did fitting the kit.

Still is mate. Name something that gives you more power for the money?

24th December 2010, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by DusheR

Still is mate. Name something that gives you more power for the money?

Depending on the track but lets say you only go for a little extra go and stick with a 50bhp N2O kit you will use about 5lb of gas per lap. At £4.50 a lb even if you only do 20 fast laps your talking £450 worth of gas. So if you are going to use it N2O ends up costing a lot. Then lets say you only do 5 track days a year your and never use it on the road your talking £2250 on gas alone. You have paid more then a turbo kit on just gas already. But you would also have to buy a dozen N20 bottle to do 20 fast laps as no race tracks have N20 filling so that is another £2000 ish worth of bottles. So If you are going to drive fast then a turbo kit very quickly works out better value. N20 really only works out for people who only want to drive fast for a few seconds once in a blue moon. Like people who go to the drag strip one or two times a year.

24th December 2010, 16:32

At the moment I don't have a budget lol I just wanted prices
for upgrades that will increase power by x amount to
See what is affordable and what's not. Ideally I'm trying to turn it
into a fast road car. Got my exhaust on will upload piks later or
tomorrow. Any suggestions welcome. Cheers.

24th December 2010, 16:32

At the moment I don't have a budget lol I just wanted prices
for upgrades that will increase power by x amount to
See what is affordable and what's not. Ideally I'm trying to turn it
into a fast road car. Got my exhaust on will upload piks later or
tomorrow. Any suggestions welcome. Cheers.

24th December 2010, 17:53

You cant say What mods will give x power really, too many variables. Some people might see 140bhp, some might see 160 with the same mods. The inaccuracy of dyno's doesn't help either.
Dont get hung upon power figures though, good tires, suspension, brakes and chassis will make a much more noticable gain for the money. If you really must chase power dont bother with a Vtr, get a Vts engine in there, it will maximise any engine work you do, and you might as well start with the best engine you can.

24th December 2010, 20:48

why does nos cost so much?

24th December 2010, 21:09

Brake upgrade worked well for me. 266mm 206 gti brakes are very good, set of hoses too whilst your at it

24th December 2010, 22:09

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Originally Posted by VTHall

why does nos cost so much?

Engines uses very aprox 15 times the mass of air as it does fuel. That is mass and not volume so we are talking a huge amount of air. N2O is used in place of some of the air the engine would normally suck in. N2O has approximately 2.3 times the amount of oxygen as air for a given volume and this is why you get more power. But air is free so your engine will pump tones of it and you will never think twice about it. So N2O is not actually all that expensive it is just that you have to use so much of it to get the extra power that the cost soon adds up. As for the cost of equipment all high pressure containers have to pass stringent safety tests in the same way HPA and liquefied CO2 containers have to, this makes them expensive items.

24th December 2010, 22:21

id say it depends how mechanically minded you are , if you do the work yourself its quite cheap a vts conversion you can pop off for around 400 quid if you take your time to find the correct parts , quite easy to get hold of a written off vts with pretty much all of parts you need for a few hundred quid , i think i saw someone on here trying to get rid of one for 250 quid this morning because he nailed it in the snow , you would just need to send the ecu off to be unlocked and you have everything you need

24th December 2010, 23:30

Only prob is the cost of a vts, running gear... and fitting? Ain't cheap that's for sure

25th December 2010, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by makkie_d

Only prob is the cost of a vts, running gear... and fitting? Ain't cheap that's for sure

You only need a a new box as the vtr one is shit, can still use your shafts/hubs.
It might not be cheap but its probably going to be the cheapest 20-30 bhp your going to get. Hunting power isn't cheap

25th December 2010, 11:57

So what would I need to take from an 's' ? And how
Difficult is fitting? (Straight fit or brackets required)

26th December 2010, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonathon5

Strip the car, that will give you your biggest gain for free

And take 100's of the resale value of the car - besides where will his mates/gf sit when cruzing the seafront?

26th December 2010, 16:33

Id never arse about with a VTR putting an S engine in, what a waste of time - if your doing that just sell it and buy an S to start with.

Learn how an engine works - get a cheap turbo + bits - and attempt to bolt it all on

26th December 2010, 23:39

onlyy just bought this one for £200 so dont want to waste a bargain if you get me.

28th December 2010, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXracing

Depending on the track but lets say you only go for a little extra go and stick with a 50bhp N2O kit you will use about 5lb of gas per lap. At £4.50 a lb even if you only do 20 fast laps your talking £450 worth of gas. So if you are going to use it N2O ends up costing a lot. Then lets say you only do 5 track days a year your and never use it on the road your talking £2250 on gas alone. You have paid more then a turbo kit on just gas already. But you would also have to buy a dozen N20 bottle to do 20 fast laps as no race tracks have N20 filling so that is another £2000 ish worth of bottles. So If you are going to drive fast then a turbo kit very quickly works out better value. N20 really only works out for people who only want to drive fast for a few seconds once in a blue moon. Like people who go to the drag strip one or two times a year.

but to be honest you cant stay on the nitrous all of the time as the bottle pressure needs time to climb to 900psi. I would only use it on the straights myself as unless properly setup (progressively) can produce torque steer which would just be dangerous in the bends.

I know what you mean the gas is expensive, I would never disagree. But its still the best power for money you can buy.

28th December 2010, 19:03

vts conversion but maybe cheaper to sell your own and buy a real vts instead