Yet another 'car wont start' thread

1. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

   #1 3rd January 2011, 12:15

   So heres the story to date, On xmas day my car wouldnt start, just nothing only turning over until the battery died, on monday took the battery off, gave it a full charge and it wired up. The next morning she fired up again, Worked all day. Then the next day she wouldnt start at all but after a little push she fired up, Went to work and then after work she wouldnt fire up again but after a little push she started. I Phoned my local motor factors assuming the cause was the battery i brought from them six months earlier and they advised me to take it off and give it a full charge and take it to them for testing in the morn. I Did that and they said it was fine, That was last friday. On saturday morning she fired up after a push. She ran fine all day but then sunday morning wouldnt start even with a push. Took the battery off give it a full charge and in the night it fired up. Up until now ive been advised that it must be a drain on the battery so thinking i was being clever when i came over my gfs last night, I Disconected the negative on the battery hoping to stop any drain. But when i connected it this morning it wouldnt fire up at all, once again not even with a push.
   
   So, any ideas? I read yday on here bout sulphur getting into the battery or something? Could this be that possibly?
   
   Any ideas would be greatly apprechiated.
   Nick
2. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

   #2 3rd January 2011, 12:26

   you should just invest in a cheap multimeter or borrow one from someone, measure the voltage running, should be about 13-14 volts ish.. turn engine off, voltage ideally about 12.5 leave it over night and see what the voltage is then, if it drops loads then its a dud battery. If not it could be the starter motor.
3. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

   #3 3rd January 2011, 12:48

   But the starter motor is turning over consistantly so surely cudnt be that?
4. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

   #4 3rd January 2011, 12:56

   Im pretty convinced its the battery tbh. So im jus gona go get a new. one. But the only nagging thing is, if sulphur had got on the plates so it wont hold its charge, wud it still drain even wen not connected?
5. citroen_saxo_vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Norwich Posts: 2823 Vectra sri 2.6 v6

   #5 3rd January 2011, 14:11

   It could be alternator dodgey? Sounds like the battery duff though.
6. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

   #6 3rd January 2011, 16:22

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Nslade Im pretty convinced its the battery tbh. So im jus gona go get a new. one. But the only nagging thing is, if sulphur had got on the plates so it wont hold its charge, wud it still drain even wen not connected?

   Yes.
   
   http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...ight=Batteries
7. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

   #7 3rd January 2011, 19:12

   Well ive got a new battery but still wont start. However one of my gfs neighbours whos a retired mecanic says 'it sounds like the battery, it isnt turning the starter motor fast enuff' and that was with the new battery init. So ima take it bk tomoz and swap it for anuva one but get em to test it before i take it home. But with the new battery init it wudnt even jump start. So cud the new battery really be naffed nd all?
8. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

   #8 3rd January 2011, 19:19

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Nslade Well ive got a new battery but still wont start. However one of my gfs neighbours whos a retired mecanic says 'it sounds like the battery, it isnt turning the starter motor fast enuff' and that was with the new battery init. So ima take it bk tomoz and swap it for anuva one but get em to test it before i take it home. But with the new battery init it wudnt even jump start. So cud the new battery really be naffed nd all?

   Well, if it won't turn over fast enough even with jump leads, and having had them on for about 5mins to make sure there's plenty of charge, I'd then try to Bump start it. Because if it starts you know it's an earth or Starter Fault.
9. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

   #9 3rd January 2011, 19:46

   Well it wudnt bump start at all this morning, so must be an earth fault. So what do i do?
10. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #10 3rd January 2011, 19:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade Well it wudnt bump start at all this morning, so must be an earth fault. So what do i do?

    Wouldn't Bump or Jump?
11. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

    #11 3rd January 2011, 19:55

    Could sound silly but are the spark plugs old?
12. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #12 3rd January 2011, 20:11

    Wont bump or jump start. And i suggested the spark plugs to the mechanic but he said no way. im out of ideas if the battery isnt a dud i gotta be honest. Ill just have to get my breakdown guys to drop me at my local garage n they can sort it.
13. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #13 3rd January 2011, 20:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade Wont bump or jump start. And i suggested the spark plugs to the mechanic but he said no way. im out of ideas if the battery isnt a dud i gotta be honest. Ill just have to get my breakdown guys to drop me at my local garage n they can sort it.

    You can sort it.
    
    Check all the fuses, make sure the Earths are on.
    Make sure the starter wires are tight.
    Make sure your Plugs are in okay nik, just so you know they are...
    
    You just have to go through all the "Possibles" Really...
14. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #14 3rd January 2011, 20:21

    Check the two main things first, fuel and spark. Is there a spark while cranking over? Can you hear the fuel pump prime when you turn on the ignition? [assuming petrol in]
15. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #15 3rd January 2011, 20:26

    Checked the earth earlier thats fine. Havent checked the fuses tbh, however. i did notice that one of the 'plugs' to the left side of the long thing above the engine had melted so i cut the wire. Wrapped some wire around the connection screw and stripped the wire and wrapped it together and when i tryed firing it up the connection point became red hot and started smoking. Any idea what this is?
    
    Also, might be worth mentioning thats wen i try nd fire it over the amber colour fuel system light comes on. And wen i just have the ignition on, the battery light is on.
16. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #16 3rd January 2011, 20:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade i did notice that one of the 'plugs' to the left side of the long thing above the engine had melted so i cut the wire.

    More info on this?
17. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #17 3rd January 2011, 20:39

    Well, on the left of the enginge there is a black plug bolted down right? well the black plug melted so it was loose and just came off the bolted connection. so i cut the plug off and essentiall connected the wire directly to the bolt.
18. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #18 3rd January 2011, 20:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade Well, on the left of the enginge there is a black plug bolted down right? well the black plug melted so it was loose and just came off the bolted connection. so i cut the plug off and essentiall connected the wire directly to the bolt.

    I don't know what one you mean, is it like a black box bolted to the coil pack?
19. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #19 3rd January 2011, 20:41

    does he mean the left of the engine looking forward? Sounds like the condenser attached to coil pack, is it a MK1?
20. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #20 3rd January 2011, 20:45

    Is is a mk1, yes looking forward, and yes its like a little black box.
21. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #21 3rd January 2011, 20:47

    Yep, thats the condenser, sounds like you got a short.
    
    peeps usually refer to looking back to the engine from in front, and no 1 cylinder is the driver side
22. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #22 3rd January 2011, 20:51

    See if it starts with that disconnected, its not vital it just stops the whine on the radio.
23. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #23 3rd January 2011, 21:01

    So just disconect it completely? Will this help it starting? And what do i do about just get a new wire? im going bk to fastparts in the morning about the battery anyways. Will they have the wire i need? and how much will it be?
24. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #24 3rd January 2011, 21:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade Is is a mk1, yes looking forward, and yes its like a little black box.

    Take that wire off. It might work then.
    
    It is there for a reason but mine fell off also and it works fine.
25. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #25 3rd January 2011, 21:08

    Forget the battery its obviously not that. If it runs with that wire disconnected at least you have transport.
    
    Then you have to trace where the short circuit is coming from. Look for chafing of wire insulation against bare metal, like where the loom is held by clips. You can try wiggling the wiring while its running and if it suddenly cuts out [or conversely suddenly starts while cranking] then you have narrowed it down.
    
    If you cant see anything you really need a meter and some knowledge of auto electrics. The AA homsetart is usually the cheapest option.
26. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #26 3rd January 2011, 21:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade Well ive got a new battery but still wont start. However one of my gfs neighbours whos a retired mecanic says 'it sounds like the battery, it isnt turning the starter motor fast enuff' and that was with the new battery init. So ima take it bk tomoz and swap it for anuva one but get em to test it before i take it home. But with the new battery init it wudnt even jump start. So cud the new battery really be naffed nd all?

    Check the earth on the starter motor & put vasoline on the battery terminals,I just about understood your text talk
    
    Steve.
27. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #27 3rd January 2011, 21:15

    I'll check the wires nd fuses tomoz. And ill take the plug off nd try it with the new battery. Failing that il get my breakdown cretins out. oh yay! Lol
28. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #28 4th January 2011, 11:03

    Well, new battery and disconnected that plug, but to no avail. So the breakdown guys are on theyre way. Lol
29. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #29 4th January 2011, 11:09

    I'll be something simple, I bet lol.
30. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #30 4th January 2011, 12:37

    With any luck yeah, theyre gunna try and fix it at the roadside first, so if its simple then they can
31. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #31 4th January 2011, 12:38

    It's been ages, it must be fixed by now?
32. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #32 4th January 2011, 14:13

    Well he turned up and i explained the full story. He said must be the battery and i explained i got a new one and even with the new one it wont start, jump or bump. Perplexed he did the standard 'hook it up to a battery and try and start it' and OMG! It started. I Couldn't effing believe it! It started, reved it abit and it was fine, unhooked it and it stayed running, tested the battery and its recharging fine. i cut off the engine and it started back up straight away.So i drove it home and put it straight in the garage. Im hoping that the battery just needed that little extra boost to start and it will be fine from now on, But the guy said if it doesnt start in the morning then it has to be the battery because the alternator and starter motor are all fine. And it isnt a drain on the system because i've ruled that out aswell. But if it doesnt start tomoz then its in the garage anyways
33. user_36210 Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Northwest Posts: 231 1.1 RST some1 nicked my FI

    #33 4th January 2011, 14:13

    I had a faulty alternator that kept draining the battery and it wouldn't bump start either, but the battery light stayed on very dimly and the relay could be heard clicking when the engine was turned off
34. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #34 4th January 2011, 14:19

    Ive got none of that tho. And i unhooked the battery sunday night before going into the house so the battery couldnt get drained but then yday it still wouldnt start, And when he tested the battery it was charging pucka
35. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #35 6th January 2011, 18:40

    **Update**
    
    The garage has had her now for two days and the best they can come up with is 'Battery must be fucked' So tomoz morning ima go get the old battery, take it back, get a refund and go buy one from elsewhere and put that on. if still no joys then the only other thing the garage suggested was that it could be the starter motor not having the power to fully fire it up. But whats the lightlyhood of that because if that was the case then once its been running and the engines been killed it wouldnt fire up surely?
36. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #36 6th January 2011, 19:30

    A cold engine is always harder to start. Get a decent Bosch Silver Battery HSB012 not a cheapo one.
    
    If its still struggling to start you will probably need a new starter motor/solenoid.
    
    Other than that you might just generally have a poorly engine, when was it last serviced?
37. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #37 6th January 2011, 22:36

    What did the garage and the AA guy say about the melted wire? Wires dont melt for no reason- its obviously got something to do with the fault!
    
    Typical useless mechanics
38. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #38 7th January 2011, 10:02

    The melted wire is just for the condeser or some such nonsense right? And the engine should work without it? One of the guys who previously posted said that hes been running his engine without it for months. New battery and its still not running, So the next step is to replace the starter motor? He's gunna try and source one and then give me a ring with the price? What can i expect to pay? I Dont wanna get ripped off. If i had the time id have a go at doing it myself, but i just dont have the time or the tools tbh.
39. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #39 7th January 2011, 10:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade T One of the guys who previously posted said that hes been running his engine without it for months.

    Yeh, mine ran fine.
    
    I will say I fixed it Yesterday though.
    
    Although it ran fine, and there's no reason why it wouldn't run with that off.
    It is meant to be connected.
    
    It isn't anything to do with how the Engine runs though.
40. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #40 7th January 2011, 10:43

    Doubt you will need a starter motor. How does the engine turn over? Is it like normally does? and like it did when it started ok?
    
    If so then how can the starter motor have anything to do with it?
41. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #41 7th January 2011, 18:45

    No, the starter motor turns over really slowly, and i mean at a snails pace. But off a jump it turns faster and starts up. Im gunna get an ebay starter motor (£25) and do it myself (With haynes manual) Wish me luck!
42. user_31412 Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 ★ West / North Yorkshire ★ Posts: 1653

    #42 7th January 2011, 19:06

    ... probably because with jump start (i assume with the other car running) its 14+ volts not 12 so its just enough to get going. Also, when yours has been running (and charging your battery) it will take a minute or 2 to drop back down from 14 to 12 volts, so it will just be enough to get yours going. My money still on the starter (probably solenoid if prefer to just change that)
43. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #43 7th January 2011, 21:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade No, the starter motor turns over really slowly, and i mean at a snails pace. But off a jump it turns faster and starts up. Im gunna get an ebay starter motor (£25) and do it myself (With haynes manual) Wish me luck!

    Why didnt you say that at the beginning? We can only go off what you tell us
    
    Also in the first post you say there was a drain on the battery and that it wouldnt start even with a push.
    
    The drain is most probably connected to the melted wire, And the battery can get so flat that not even a push will start it.
44. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #44 9th January 2011, 22:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Railroader Why didnt you say that at the beginning? We can only go off what you tell us I didnt know that info until i went to the garage on friday, which is when i posted the info. Also in the first post you say there was a drain on the battery and that it wouldnt start even with a push. No, i said there might be a drain on the battery but was later found that there isnt The drain is most probably connected to the melted wire, And the battery can get so flat that not even a push will start it.

    And i still have no idea what the melted wire is or what it does lol
45. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #45 9th January 2011, 22:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Railroader The drain is most probably connected to the melted wire, And the battery can get so flat that not even a push will start it.

    It can actually run with no Battery, as long as the Alternator is working.
    
    I've run mine without a battery before, didn't drive it but had it running, I didn't think it would because I thought the battery made the Circuit, but I was wrong lol.
46. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #46 9th January 2011, 23:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikekid450 It can actually run with no Battery, as long as the Alternator is working. I've run mine without a battery before, didn't drive it but had it running, I didn't think it would because I thought the battery made the Circuit, but I was wrong lol.

    Lol! Thats pretty cool.
47. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #47 10th January 2011, 14:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikekid450 It can actually run with no Battery, as long as the Alternator is working. I've run mine without a battery before, didn't drive it but had it running, I didn't think it would because I thought the battery made the Circuit, but I was wrong lol.

    It might RUN with no battery but will it BUMP START with no battery?
48. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #48 10th January 2011, 14:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade Originally Posted by Railroader Why didnt you say that at the beginning? We can only go off what you tell us I didnt know that info until i went to the garage on friday, which is when i posted the info. Also in the first post you say there was a drain on the battery and that it wouldnt start even with a push. No, i said there might be a drain on the battery but was later found that there isnt The drain is most probably connected to the melted wire, And the battery can get so flat that not even a push will start it. And i still have no idea what the melted wire is or what it does lol

    Might = does when we are trying to find a solution to your problem. Did you tell us when you found out that there wasnt a drain???
    
    Whats the latest have you found out what the problem is or cant be botehred to tell us?
49. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #49 10th January 2011, 15:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Railroader It might RUN with no battery but will it BUMP START with no battery?

    That's how I got mine running, so I assume so... Lol.
    
    Reason I ran with no battery was it was charging and I wanted to start the Car to see how my new Exhaust sounded
50. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #50 10th January 2011, 18:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Railroader Might = does when we are trying to find a solution to your problem. Did you tell us when you found out that there wasnt a drain??? Whats the latest have you found out what the problem is or cant be botehred to tell us?

    Course i can be bothered to share. Im going to get a starter motor tomoz morn, and gunna fit it and hopefully that will be it
51. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #51 10th January 2011, 18:18

    Good luck mate
52. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #52 10th January 2011, 18:22

    I'll be interested to see what it is after all that if Im still here
53. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #53 10th January 2011, 18:23

    Ye, same lmao.
54. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #54 10th January 2011, 22:54

    Im interested nd all! lol
55. bry1 Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2008 cheltenham Posts: 400 scooby

    #55 11th January 2011, 00:39

    Sounds like a earthing problem to me put a jump lead from the earth on the battery to the eye on the engine and try starting it
56. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #56 11th January 2011, 11:11

    Can't be. When it first wouldnt start i tryed changing the earth to a few different places but still wouldnt start
57. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #57 12th January 2011, 20:07

    Random Update for those still interested. I tryed to change the motor myself but ended up rounding off one of the bolts, Dont have the tools to try and snap/ cut it off so its going in the garage for the starter motor to be changed tomoz. This time tomorrow night i will know if its the starter motor. I Seriously hope it is! lol
58. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #58 12th January 2011, 20:08

    Haha, well good luck! Keep us updated lol.
59. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #59 12th January 2011, 21:38

    Why are bothering with the starter motor?? Did you not say say that it wouldnt push start? If so what has that got to do with the starter motor? [without trawling through the whole thread again, sorry if Ive missed something]
60. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #60 12th January 2011, 21:57

    Right this might offer some help I was having electrical problems 2wks ago wipers windows guages operating slowly.So I had the charging rate checked by a mechanic its charging at 14volts everythings ok he said,still had a problem with electrics the car broke down the next day lost all electrics it was a faulty alternator(sorry for the essay)but i`d put money on this being a knackered alternator(if i was a betting man)
    
    Steve.
61. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #61 13th January 2011, 13:06

    But the battery is recharging fine, when the break down guy came out he tested it and said it was recharging pucka.
    
    Little update though, Last night i put the battery on charge over night and put it back on this morning and she fired up, After a little hesitation though.
62. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #62 13th January 2011, 13:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade But the battery is recharging fine, when the break down guy came out he tested it and said it was recharging pucka. Little update though, Last night i put the battery on charge over night and put it back on this morning and she fired up, After a little hesitation though.

    What do you mean "After a little hesitation"?
    
    Do you mean the starter worked fine but just turned over for a while?
    
    Because it's obviously an Engine problem if so, not a starter problem.
63. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #63 13th January 2011, 14:15

    It turned like twice, stopped. Turned twice/three times, Stopped. Then turned a few times and started up.
64. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #64 13th January 2011, 14:21

    Ahh, see what it's like with the new starter then.
65. Mike_Roberts Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 Oswestry / Lyneham Posts: 180 1993 106 XSI 1.4 miami 2005 Fiesta mk6

    #65 13th January 2011, 14:57

    With it being able to bump start, I would suggest the crank position sensor. Pretty sure it cuts the fuel and spark if its giving dodgy readings, BUT, it ignores it if you bump start (Only gets reading when the key is in 'start' position).
    
    Also, check the injection relay! Its the pretty large black or brown relay which is attached under the ecu tray. You should be able to hear it clicking when you turn the ignition on. All sorts of systems run through it, including fuel and spark.
66. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #66 13th January 2011, 19:50

    Im not sure about that fella, But if the starter motor thing doesnt work then ill look into it. They're going to change the starter motor now in the morn
    I'll update you all tomoz
67. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #67 13th January 2011, 19:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike_Roberts I would suggest the crank position sensor. Pretty sure it cuts the fuel and spark if its giving dodgy readings

    Yes, it does.
68. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #68 13th January 2011, 23:18

    But then why will it only start its self after the battery has been fully charged? And why would it bump start before, and not anymore?
69. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #69 14th January 2011, 00:01

    Could be starter and another problem.
    
    There's no reason why it can't be more than one problem lol.
70. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #70 14th January 2011, 00:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikekid450 Could be starter and another problem. There's no reason why it can't be more than one problem lol.

    Why would you even say something like that?! Thats like me saying 'Oh, i hope you dont get aids, but theres no reason why you couldnt get aids' lmfao
71. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #71 14th January 2011, 00:33

    Lol, do you know what I mean though?
72. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #72 14th January 2011, 00:38

    It could be your starter playing up, but also something else, for example your Crank sensor, meaning it wouldn't Bump Start. But when your starter worked your sensor worked enough to start, but then failed again, so it wouldn't start.
    
    I'd see how it is with the new starter first though as you've got the car in Hospital lol.
73. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #73 14th January 2011, 22:24

    Well the car is out of hospital with a new lease of life ! Now starts first time, everytime! I was a little worried for a mo there but its all systems go now!
    
    However an odd side effect, maybe worth a mention for the future? About the time this all kicked off my CD player went on the fritz wouldnt play the CD or eject it, would only play radio. But, Since the starter motor has been done its back to its old self aswell. Weird Huh?
74. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #74 14th January 2011, 22:40

    So does that mean that it was the starter all along? You have not actually told us yet.
    
    I wonder of your CD player fault- that you never told us about until now- is connected to the condenser melting?
    
    Also I just noticed that you misquoted your self earlier, you said that "it must be a drain on the battery" not, "it might be a drain on the battery" tut tut, great communicator. Glad you got it sorted though
75. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #75 14th January 2011, 22:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Railroader So does that mean that it was the starter all along? You have not actually told us yet. I wonder of your CD player fault- that you never told us about until now- is connected to the condenser melting? Also I just noticed that you misquoted your self earlier, you said that "it must be a drain on the battery" not, "it might be a drain on the battery" tut tut, great communicator. Glad you got it sorted though

    If im honest i think it was a bit of the starter motor and the battery both being abit shagged lol, Well the CD player is working fine but the condenser hasnt been put right so i doubt it lol. And your not as glad as i am mate. I Cannot wait to drive to work instead of having to walk! Man i hate walking! lol.
    
    Big thanks to everybody for your help and input guys
76. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #76 14th January 2011, 23:00

    For the sake of completeness, have you had a second new battery fitted or is the first one still a bit shagged?
77. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #77 14th January 2011, 23:20

    No, the Battery that is on there now is a new one
78. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #78 14th January 2011, 23:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nslade No, the Battery that is on there now is a new one

    I know its a new one, but is it the first new one or a second new one?
    
    I gave two alternatives in my question and you answered no. No to which one?
79. RustySkull Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2009 Basildon And Corringham, Essex Posts: 5179 MK1 Focus RS, Discovery TD5, Renault Trafic 2.0

    #79 15th January 2011, 08:32

    Glad it's fixed now mate.
80. Nslade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 233 Saxo VTR

    #80 16th January 2011, 12:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Railroader I know its a new one, but is it the first new one or a second new one? I gave two alternatives in my question and you answered no. No to which one?

    Third New One actually.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikekid450 Glad it's fixed now mate.

    Thanks mate