PAS pump

1. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

   #1 9th January 2011, 08:33

   Last night when i started the car up, the steering would harldy turn, started trying to turn it for about 5 mints, then it suddenly came on.
   
   what could have caused this?
2. pepper953 Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1280

   #2 9th January 2011, 12:23

   the brushes stick in the pump motor then they die
   'give it sharp tap most times it works for a while
3. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

   #3 9th January 2011, 14:03

   its not the brushes mate, its a fairly new pump, as the brushes went on my last one, so i know what its like when the brushes stick.
4. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

   #4 9th January 2011, 14:17

   it could be the ignition barrel not producing enough power for the motor any more happens quite a lot you can test it by using the guide on here if it works then its the barrel. and just get a new barrel or bridge the wires with a thick wire and 2 crimp on connectors.
5. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

   #5 9th January 2011, 15:31

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by bedford126 it could be the ignition barrel not producing enough power for the motor any more happens quite a lot you can test it by using the guide on here if it works then its the barrel. and just get a new barrel or bridge the wires with a thick wire and 2 crimp on connectors.

   cheers mate i'll try it
6. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

   #6 9th January 2011, 15:36

   hi, i've looked at a guide, but it says only to do as you say if you have problems with, PAS, rear demister and something else, my problem was just with the PAS.
   
   has been working fine today, but still doesn't quite feel like PAS should.
7. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

   #7 9th January 2011, 20:56

   just been out in car, its now making that squeeling noise, however it gets quieter and louder when i turn on/off anything electrical in the car :s
8. tom_lloyd_4 Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90

   #8 10th January 2011, 06:49

   your alt belt is going this could cause the lack of pas aswell because the pas pump is powerd by the alternator
9. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

   #9 10th January 2011, 07:26

   My guess would be the alternator aswell.
10. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

    #10 10th January 2011, 11:42

    these easy to change?
11. kristel10589 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5362

    #11 10th January 2011, 11:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tom_lloyd_4 your alt belt is going this could cause the lack of pas aswell because the pas pump is powerd by the alternator

    That is the biggest load of cods wallop I have ever heard.
    Saxo PAS is electric therefore has it's own electric motor to turn the pump impellers. It is not mechanically driven off the engine, just for your future reference.
    
    Have you checked the relay? Could be a sticky relay.
    
    Check the wiring for any lose plugs/wiring etc.
12. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

    #12 10th January 2011, 11:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kristel10589 That is the biggest load of cods wallop I have ever heard. Saxo PAS is electric therefore has it's own electric motor to turn the pump impellers. It is not mechanically driven off the engine, just for your future reference. Have you checked the relay? Could be a sticky relay. Check the wiring for any lose plugs/wiring etc.

    cheers, still learning about cars, doesn't help when everyone gives you different advice lol.
    
    how would i check the relay? wheres it situated?
13. kristel10589 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5362

    #13 10th January 2011, 12:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeham987 cheers, still learning about cars, doesn't help when everyone gives you different advice lol. how would i check the relay? wheres it situated?

    Ok just checked, couldn't find an actual wiring diagram for the power steering pump, but thinking about it, it might not have a relay
    
    When your car is started, you haven't got a battery light up etc?
    
    Also next time you start it and it does it see if your heated rear screen and/or heater fan works.
    
    If it the latter then maybe the ign barrel.
    
    The squeeling noise is probs the alt belt.
14. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

    #14 10th January 2011, 12:35

    starts as normal, steering wont turn at all, drive forward abit then the steering comes on but quite heavy.
    the heaters and demister work, however when i turn them on the noise from the PAS pump starts.
    
    Its not the belt, its coming from the PAS pump, like it does when its on its way out.
    
    Its a fairly new pump though, so surely not on its way out?
    
    fed up with saxo lol
15. kristel10589 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5362

    #15 10th January 2011, 12:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeham987 starts as normal, steering wont turn at all, drive forward abit then the steering comes on but quite heavy. the heaters and demister work, however when i turn them on the noise from the PAS pump starts. Its not the belt, its coming from the PAS pump, like it does when its on its way out. Its a fairly new pump though, so surely not on its way out? fed up with saxo lol

    If you got it recently refurbed i'd take it off and send it back and ask for a refund as it sounds like they didn't refurb it properly and the brushes are worn/sticking. Or could be impeller bearings.
16. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

    #16 10th January 2011, 12:45

    it wasnt refurbed, i bought it of a saxo with low mileage. the PAS looks new.
    
    how much should a garage charge to refurb a PAS pump?
17. kristel10589 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5362

    #17 10th January 2011, 13:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by leeham987 it wasnt refurbed, i bought it of a saxo with low mileage. the PAS looks new. how much should a garage charge to refurb a PAS pump?

    I don't know how much a garage would charge, but any kind of auto factor will sell you one but it's on a exchange basis.
    
    I'd say it was brushes.
    
    You might be able to refurb it yourself if you can get a kit or atleast the brushes.
18. ChristopherJames Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 269 Possi Blue MK2 VTR :'( Buckingham Blue VTR MK1 :')

    #18 10th January 2011, 17:57

    my power steering started going heavy a while ago, and it started going and i had to play with the wheel to kick in
    then after a while it went and came back then it went completly and had to hit the pump itself to get it working
    then after a couple weeks it went completly
    i thought the pump was nakard but apparently it might not be
    anyone got any ideas what else it could be?
19. tom_lloyd_4 Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90

    #19 11th January 2011, 00:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kristel10589 That is the biggest load of cods wallop I have ever heard. Saxo PAS is electric therefore has it's own electric motor to turn the pump impellers. It is not mechanically driven off the engine, just for your future reference. Have you checked the relay? Could be a sticky relay. Check the wiring for any lose plugs/wiring etc.

    shutup man i no wot ime talking about the pas pump is powered direct from the alternator so as to stop it draining the battrey and i sead powerd by not driven by the belt read stuff befor pissing all over it
    thasnks tom
20. tom_lloyd_4 Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90

    #20 11th January 2011, 00:49

    ow and the relay shud be mounted some were just above the pump its gray and they do go get one from a scrappy and try that befor takeing the pump out
21. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

    #21 11th January 2011, 09:22

    ok, i'll try the relay today then before messing about with the pump.
22. user_44477 Established Member Joined: May 2010 rotherham Posts: 1813 2001 Citroen saxo furio.

    #22 11th January 2011, 10:20

    changed relay, deffo not that