VTR to VTS conversion.... Search button is irritating me

1. darrenrosser Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Tunbirdge Wells Posts: 847 Citroen Saxo 1.6 VTR

   #1 16th January 2011, 20:51

   I am researching doing the VTR to S Conversion i have found guides on how to do S to JP4 but nothing major on the R to S conversion
   
   I found a rough guide the otherday that listed the parts needed but now i cant find it can someone link me a good guide or tell me what parts i need
   
   Thanks
2. Dave_P Established Member Joined: Dec 2010 Aberdeen Posts: 2129 Race: 106 Rallye 16v. Road: Mercedes Vito 120 CDI

   #2 16th January 2011, 21:17

   I have a loom for single plug ECU for sale for £50.
3. SaxoKez Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Scunthorpe (North Lincolnshire) Posts: 3325 White Subaru WRX Black Saxo VTS

   #3 16th January 2011, 22:24

   you will need a vts engine out of same year, you will need engine, box, ecu,loom/ raditor/fans airbox etc basicaly ful engine,
   start the vtr engine and unplug your immabilser whilst car is running to unlock the vtr ecu, then send off the vts ecu to get unlocked i use blue hawk electronics, there is a big clip for engine loom, unplug that and whip out your vtr engine, put vts engine in and plug loom up, you will need the thottle cable off the vts engine aswell which needs running through the car
   
   parts i used when i had vts engine out was
   new clutch
   cam belt kit
   spark plugs
   oil
   fuel filter
   oil filter
   oil
   
   pretty simple job
4. darrenrosser Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Tunbirdge Wells Posts: 847 Citroen Saxo 1.6 VTR

   #4 18th January 2011, 10:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by SaxoKez you will need a vts engine out of same year, you will need engine, box, ecu,loom/ raditor/fans airbox etc basicaly ful engine, start the vtr engine and unplug your immabilser whilst car is running to unlock the vtr ecu, then send off the vts ecu to get unlocked i use blue hawk electronics, there is a big clip for engine loom, unplug that and whip out your vtr engine, put vts engine in and plug loom up, you will need the thottle cable off the vts engine aswell which needs running through the car parts i used when i had vts engine out was new clutch cam belt kit spark plugs oil fuel filter oil filter oil pretty simple job

   
   Thanks man finally someone wants to help me really appreciate this! I dont have an immobiliser though so what would i need to do with ecu with no immobiliser?
5. user_43359 Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Shavington Crewe Posts: 828 MK2 Saxo VTR 51 PLATE

   #5 18th January 2011, 17:45

   I'm looking to do this conversion too , i've spoke to a few people who say you need car interior loom as well and fusebox off the vts??
6. SaxElle L-plater Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 35

   #6 18th January 2011, 18:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by darrenrosser Thanks man finally someone wants to help me really appreciate this! I dont have an immobiliser though so what would i need to do with ecu with no immobiliser?

   its okay if you need more help pm me mate, as far as im aware you only unlock it if you have immobilizer
7. SaxoKez Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Scunthorpe (North Lincolnshire) Posts: 3325 White Subaru WRX Black Saxo VTS

   #7 18th January 2011, 18:08

   i was meant to post that ^^ on my account, that was my gfs lol
8. SaxoKez Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Scunthorpe (North Lincolnshire) Posts: 3325 White Subaru WRX Black Saxo VTS

   #8 18th January 2011, 18:08

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by H-Unwin I'm looking to do this conversion too , i've spoke to a few people who say you need car interior loom as well and fusebox off the vts??

   you dont need interior loom or fusebox
9. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

   #9 18th January 2011, 18:11

   Make sure you get all parts from one donor car. Thats my advice. Dont mix and match where posible.
10. darrenrosser Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Tunbirdge Wells Posts: 847 Citroen Saxo 1.6 VTR

    #10 18th January 2011, 18:57

    Thanks guys this has all been great advice!!
11. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #11 18th January 2011, 19:48

    you sure about the immobiliser? might not be the earlier keypad immobilsier but most saxos ive seen have the transponder in the key
12. toxic Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772

    #12 18th January 2011, 20:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenrosser I am researching doing the VTR to S Conversion i have found guides on how to do S to JP4 but nothing major on the R to S conversion I found a rough guide the otherday that listed the parts needed but now i cant find it can someone link me a good guide or tell me what parts i need Thanks

    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84099
    
    there you go i am doing 1 my self first time going ok for now lol
13. tarzan Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2010 Lurgan Posts: 767 2001 black saxo furio 2001 black saxo vts

    #13 19th January 2011, 00:00

    was thinkn about the conversion with my furio 2001. how much would it all cost if you were kkeping the engine standar?
14. jambo18 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 fife Posts: 429 gold mk2 vtr

    #14 5th February 2011, 19:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toxic http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84099 there you go i am doing 1 my self first time going ok for now lol

    what a great guide, am well gonna do it now
15. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #15 5th February 2011, 19:36

    All saxo's have immobilisers. Basics are an engine with inlet, alternator, manifold and top rad hose, rear ecu mount, engine loom and ecu, and a throttle cable. Everything else can be used from the vtr.
16. Nik_L Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Here and there. Posts: 3372 205 GTi

    #16 5th February 2011, 19:46

    My advice would be just buy a Vts and save the hassle.
    
    Waste of time and money imo when you can buy a Vts for cheap these days anyway.
    
    Its dead money converting a Vtr to a Vts.
17. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #17 5th February 2011, 19:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nik_L Its dead money converting a Vtr to a Vts.

    cost me £200 all in to convert my last one
18. user_38486 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Blackburn Posts: 4739 A few

    #18 5th February 2011, 19:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nik_L My advice would be just buy a Vts and save the hassle. Waste of time and money imo when you can buy a Vts for cheap these days anyway. Its dead money converting a Vtr to a Vts.

    
    Can be done for a few hundred quid.
    
    Some people like the project, and the fact they have achieved it and made it what it is.
    
    Also, some people have mint R's with alot of their time & money already in it, so its cheaper for them to convert than to re-do all the work again on another car.
19. user_9396 Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 torquay (England) Posts: 1993 supercharged vts. 1.1 saxo. accord type r

    #19 5th February 2011, 19:54

    just finished one.
    we used,
    engine and loom. check the round plug in engine bay for size(there are two sizes. one is bigger than the other)
    the change over year cars came with both so sometimes its not as easy as getting the same year loom.
    idealy you want the fuel lines from the s.
    bit more work but not to difficult to swap the complete lines from tank to engine.(we did it) so you have the s return and feed(no fpr by fuel tank)
    and definantly want an unlocked ecu.
    we didnt take the imobilizer box out in the car and it starts fine with unlocked ecu.
20. toxic Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 772

    #20 5th February 2011, 19:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaxoKez you will need a vts engine out of same year, you will need engine, box, ecu,loom/ raditor/fans airbox etc basicaly ful engine, start the vtr engine and unplug your immabilser whilst car is running to unlock the vtr ecu, then send off the vts ecu to get unlocked i use blue hawk electronics, there is a big clip for engine loom, unplug that and whip out your vtr engine, put vts engine in and plug loom up, you will need the thottle cable off the vts engine aswell which needs running through the car parts i used when i had vts engine out was new clutch cam belt kit spark plugs oil fuel filter oil filter oil pretty simple job

    And you might need a return fuel line as well and shafts