Important! : saxo vtr wont turnover

1. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

   #1 30th January 2011, 19:42

   Right i just did a engine swap (vtr to vtr mine was broke) and now it wont evan turnover i have a unlocked ecu so im sure it not that. the fuel pump does not prime but when it does it just goes on and on doesnt stop. all the wires sensors are in. can anyone help me please?
2. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #2 30th January 2011, 19:47

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Saxguy Right i just did a engine swap (vtr to vtr mine was broke) and now it wont evan turnover i have a unlocked ecu so im sure it not that. the fuel pump does not prime but when it does it just goes on and on doesnt stop. all the wires sensors are in. can anyone help me please?

   Try swapping the relay over its under the ecu iirc.
   
   
   Steve
3. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #3 30th January 2011, 19:49

   Does it crank over?
4. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

   #4 30th January 2011, 20:20

   No does not crank when i turn the key it just makes a loud tick noise.
5. LukeyC Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Bedfordshire Posts: 272 saxo furio 1.4

   #5 30th January 2011, 20:25

   checked battery?
6. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

   #6 30th January 2011, 20:27

   Yeah the battery is fine i checked it with a multi metre and a diffrent battery all the lights are working aswell.
7. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

   #7 30th January 2011, 20:28

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevo67 Try swapping the relay over its under the ecu iirc. Steve

   What does this relay do mate?
8. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #8 30th January 2011, 20:43

   check all earths are back on and clean
9. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

   #9 30th January 2011, 20:44

   How many earths are there? i no there is the one by the fuse box under the bonet and there are the to on the gearbox?
10. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #10 30th January 2011, 20:46

    thats it i think
11. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #11 30th January 2011, 20:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxguy What does this relay do mate?

    Its the fuel pump relay you should hear it make like a hum/buzz noise when you turn the key.
    
    
    Steve
12. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #12 30th January 2011, 20:48

    ah right i have all the earths on then. the fuel pump does not prime but when it did it was a constant buzz.
13. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #13 30th January 2011, 20:49

    this is the exact same as mine apart from my imob light does not come on.
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=360272
14. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #14 30th January 2011, 20:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 Its the fuel pump relay you should hear it make like a hum/buzz noise when you turn the key. Steve

    fuel pump relay isn't going to prevent it cranking over though
15. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #15 30th January 2011, 21:01

    Also should the power steering work on pre ignition? im sure mine did but it doesnt now.
16. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #16 30th January 2011, 21:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 fuel pump relay isn't going to prevent it cranking over though

    No I know mate I was replying to his question about the fuel pump priming
    
    
    Steve
17. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #17 30th January 2011, 21:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 No I know mate I was replying to his question about the fuel pump priming Steve

    The fuel pump was working perfectly until i did the engine swap tho?
18. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #18 30th January 2011, 21:07

    It isnt an imob problem.
    
    Id go with earthing problem. Or circuit problem between startmotor>alternator>battery and the earth on the gearbox.
19. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #19 30th January 2011, 21:09

    I have all the earthe leads on would a bad circuit between the stater altinator and battery cause these problems?
20. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #20 30th January 2011, 21:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Saxguy I have all the earthe leads on would a bad circuit between the stater altinator and battery cause these problems?

    Make sure the earth is in a decnet place on the gearbox, sometimes they can be dodgy.
    
    Also check current going to and from the starter motor and alternator with a tester.
    
    If theyre fine, then Id assume its a faulty starter motor.
21. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #21 30th January 2011, 21:15

    iv got the green and yellow earth and the black earth on the long bold on the gear box thats where they went before i took them off. also the starter is the same one and it worked fine before the swap.
22. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #22 30th January 2011, 21:24

    Still check currents to be sure. Maybe even connect the earth to the negative terminal on the battery.
    
    Check sensors are plugged up, sometimes faulty crank position sensor can prevent it from cranking over.
23. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #23 30th January 2011, 21:27

    if a bit of water was to get in any sensor would that cause it?
24. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #24 30th January 2011, 21:35

    Maybe...Maybe not depends which etc. Try it tomorrow if you think there is some dampness.
25. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #25 30th January 2011, 21:36

    also see if it bump starts, if it does then definatly start motor solanoid or something around there..
26. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #26 30th January 2011, 21:41

    i did try and bump start it but didnt work its really annoying now havnt drove my car since november.
27. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #27 30th January 2011, 22:17

    Then thats another problem unless you have a problem with your wiring or sensors.

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28. Railroader Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 Bolton Posts: 1068 Saxo 1.4i sx

    #28 30th January 2011, 22:29

    that click when you turn the key is the solenoid on the starter motor. It might have gone by coincidence [was it already on the new engine?] or it could be insufficient current- ie the leads to the starter motor not being tightened up enuff or a bad earth like db sax says
29. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #29 30th January 2011, 22:38

    well i just spoke to somone who had the exact same problem as me and he said his was the wires on the starter.. and it was my starter mate.
30. Saxguy Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 taunton,somerset Posts: 506 Posi blue saxo vtr Gold vtr

    #30 31st January 2011, 18:45

    The car is fixed now it was a wire that went to the starter not connected lol.
    Thanks for your help everyone