Good Dyno result!

  1. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #1
    i took a trip to smart performance today for a dyno run with my vtr with 106 gti engine, and i was shocked at the the results 155.5 bhp and 157.8 ft-lb torque at flywheel (best run) with the following mods. raceland 4-2-1, straight through custom made ashley center section with a ashley back box welded straight on for no joining restrictions, and a halfords bmc cda style induction kit with cold air feed from the morrete light.
    you all will say im lie'ing because there no way i would gain so much from the mods that it has, but on the dyno after me was a astra vxr (240bhp standered) that had straight through exhaust plus knN and that made 256 bhp also a standered focus st (225 bhp standered) that made 222bhp. so im convinced the dyno is pretty accurate. also the dyno is pretty new

    let me know what you all think!!

    graph:- http://s1105.photobucket.com/albums/...3DIMG_0240.jpg


    video :- http://s1105.photobucket.com/albums/...3DIMG_0237.mp4
  2. Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 durham Posts: 1218 02 black vts with nitrous!!
    #2
    The engine you have in it now must have been cammed mate, did the person you get it off not say anything to you? What ecu do you have on atm?
  3. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #3
    nope its not cammed because i brought it off my mate who did the conversion its standered cams because he took engine apart to do all seals gaskets etc, its running standered 3 plug 106gti ecu
  4. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2007 skipton northyorks Posts: 5275 clio 172 exclusive track toy
    #4
    not cammed and 155bhp what a good rolling road that is try doing a search and u will mind out its crap fella
  5. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI
    #5
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dannyvt_ View Post
    nope its not cammed because i brought it off my mate who did the conversion its standered cams because he took engine apart to do all seals gaskets etc, its running standered 3 plug 106gti ecu
    I think your gonna get ripped apart mate after this thread

    Im no expert but I really dont see hows its possible to get a 35bhp increase from an exhaust and induction kit from halfords

    I suspect either:

    A) Your car has been cammed and you (and your mate) are just not aware of it
    B) The dyno wasn't accurate

    I know you said about the other cars but that doesnt prove anything mate
  6. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #6
    as above, its physically not possible for that engine to make those figures with your mods, your talking 35bhp from a filter and exhaust...

    edit-devilsadvocate beat me to it
  7. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #7
    i agree 155 bhp is mentaly to high for a un-cammed saxo. it just weird how a 07 plate focus st made nearly book figures etc plus he has dyno'd other saxo vts's in past and they were making 115 to 130 standered with no mods because he showed me there runs on his computer
  8. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #8
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate View Post
    I think your gonna get ripped apart mate after this thread

    Im no expert but I really dont see hows its possible to get a 35bhp increase from an exhaust and induction kit from halfords

    I suspect either:

    A) Your car has been cammed and you (and your mate) are just not aware of it
    B) The dyno wasn't accurate

    I know you said about the other cars but that doesnt prove anything mate
    yeah i know im genna get ripped apart but i thought i would post it anyways lol
  9. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #9
    you dont know the condition of any engine mate, so you cant compare unfortunatley, dyno must have been a mile out, i wouldnt even say its been cammed, as if your mate was unaware of any cams that may have been fitted during a rebuild.... i doubt theyd be timed well enough to make thoe figures if the dyno was correct
  10. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #10
    sounds like the clutch was dragging or something. its obvious its not that hp. what was the wheel HP?

    when i had my car RR at a college, it made 119@wheels but over 190bhp at flywheel because the rollers werent setup properly and the clutch was dragging cause innacurate coast down.
  11. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #11
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dannygti View Post
    sounds like the clutch was dragging or something. its obvious its not that hp. what was the wheel HP?

    when i had my car RR at a college, it made 119@wheels but over 190bhp at flywheel because the rollers werent setup properly and the clutch was dragging cause innacurate coast down.
    127bhp at wheels
  12. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #12
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dannyvt_ View Post
    127bhp at wheels
    thats pretty much what i had with throttle bodies, cams, standalone ecu,full group n exhaust, bigger injectors. you make your mind up if its accurate.
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  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2007 skipton northyorks Posts: 5275 clio 172 exclusive track toy
    #13
    very easy to cheat the figures on any rolling road ,if the guy running the rollers wants to make u think u have more bhp ,as dannygti says on the rundown ,a quick touch of the brakes and ur vts is running 155bhp with exhaust and filter
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  14. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #14
    to add to this also.. my mate has a vts with same mods as mine and mine is alot faster than his thats the reson i got it dyno'd because everyone was woundering why mine pulled so much more than his. i am genna take the results with a pinch of salt and im genna go to other dynos to see the results on a diffrent rolling road hopefully i make around the same bhp and i have a super strong one off engine lmao
  15. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Here and there. Posts: 3372 205 GTi
    #15
    TBH 155bhp isnt unbelievable.....

    ...but 157lb/ft from an N/A 1.6 is...
  16. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by andywiddss1 View Post
    very easy to cheat the figures on any rolling road ,if the guy running the rollers wants to make u think u have more bhp ,as dannygti says on the rundown ,a quick touch of the brakes and ur vts is running 155bhp with exhaust and filter
    he wouldnt cheat me by touching brake or anything i know the geeza he dynos all my freinds cars ect and i always go watch them on dyno his unit is like 1 miles from my house
  17. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B
    #17
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nik_L View Post
    TBH 155bhp isnt unbelievable.....
    i seen the white writing, but beg to differ, 155 from an exhaust and cheap induction kit?
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2007 skipton northyorks Posts: 5275 clio 172 exclusive track toy
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dannyvt_ View Post
    he wouldnt cheat me by touching brake or anything i know the geeza he dynos all my freinds cars ect and i always go watch them on dyno his unit is like 1 miles from my house
    ha ha he dynos all my friends cars and u all go there and u all get good bhp reading so u tell ur mate i got --- then he tell someone else the guy running the rollers makes loads of money ,wake up for christ sake fella
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2007 skipton northyorks Posts: 5275 clio 172 exclusive track toy
    #19
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Nik_L View Post
    TBH 155bhp isnt unbelievable.....

    ...but 157lb/ft from an N/A 1.6 is...
    do a search fool
  20. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2009 Stranraer Posts: 3437 bodied VTR
    #20
    I agree with everybody else.. this figure is way to high for your mods
  21. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Here and there. Posts: 3372 205 GTi
    #21
    Ok,my point is more towards that laughable torque figure.

    Power figure is miles out too of course.
  22. Newbie Joined: Sep 2010 tamworth Posts: 15 posi vtr, 106 gti conversion
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by andywiddss1 View Post
    ha ha he dynos all my friends cars and u all go there and u all get good bhp reading so u tell ur mate i got --- then he tell someone else the guy running the rollers makes loads of money ,wake up for christ sake fella
    how is it wen a focus st made 222bhp? thats lower than book! plus who's saying we pay money? i know how u must be feeling 'how the f... is that possible' but like i said im takin it with a pinch of salt im not saying its correct am i?
  23. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Solihull Posts: 371 Mk2 140bhp Vts
    #23
    Mines an s-reg vtr and with a rally s1 box. raceland branch 421 with full system decat and enclosed panel filter i made 109.4bhp @ flywheel on rr with 104 ft lb of torque! i cnt see because its a vts u got those figures but if u did then congrats
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5306 911 Turbo
    #24
    That dyno is completely fucked ! Or you are a bullshit merchant or both

    157 lb ft what a joker, look at the graph. Either the graph is off a Vw tfsi engine or made up on photo shop

    157lb ft at 1300 rpm only forced induction can do that

    Here is a graph of a real cammed car



    Notice the torque curve
  25. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo
    #25
    my cammed vts graph - same torque.

    as said, thats a turbo graph, only turbos will give same torque figure.

  26. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2010 Here and there. Posts: 3372 205 GTi
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by e8_pqck View Post
    my cammed vts graph - same torque.

    as said, thats a turbo graph, only turbos will give same torque figure.
    When you say same,do you mean same or as near as the BHP figure??

    If so then thats not true.
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2010 Midlands Posts: 2530 AX 16v Turbo
    #27
    same as other graph. or v similar from cammed engine.

    i am talking about torque/power relationship.

    put a few more graphs up and surely a pattern will emerge. you cant fundamentally change the way it performs if its the same engine.
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 5306 911 Turbo
    #28
    Unless the OP's car had been fitted with one if those electronic superchargers of. eBay LOL

    Vts engines have sod all torque low down, the numbers on the two graphs we have posted are irrelevant , what is relevant is the torque & power Curve shapes

    The two runs we have were done on different rolling roads on different days
  29. Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Basildon, Essex Posts: 1042 Citroen AX VTS
    #29
    that graph is bullshit lol thats just not how a VTS engine performs
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI
    #30
    If im not mistaken, the graph is saying 150bhp at 2500rpm?

    Surely you would need forced induction to get that sort of power low down?