Important! : Group buy for Up-rated torsion bars

14th February 2011, 17:47

Hi all,

I am currently building a Saxo Vtr to race the 750mc Stock Hatch championship this year. I have a company making me some custom torsion bars and am offering anyone interested the oppertunity to grab some uprated bars much cheaper than the PS ones. At the moment he is testing the spring rate (believed to be around 110lb/in) and then using the same material will produce some at an increased rate. If I can get more people interested the cost of producing these bars will go down.

I don't know exact specs/prices yet as they are still testing them, but as soon as I know, il let anyone interested know. This company make torsion bars for current and vintage Forumla 1 cars, so know what they are about and I have seen the quality of the work and its excellent. They also prduce gear sets etc but they are mega bucks

I'll be happy to answer any questions, or pass them on the the guy I'm dealing with.

Cheers all,

Dan

14th February 2011, 17:59

I'd be interested in 23mm t bars if someone selling me 22mm bars lets me down... assuming they're the same spec as PS bars.

14th February 2011, 18:06

Hi mate,

They will be basically the same spec as the PS ones. Although the chap warned me they may vary slighty depending on spring rates etc, i.e. for PS 23mm (265lb/in) may come up a slightly different size, you will still be able to fit them with out taking the axle apart though. It would be better to work from the spring rate than the diameter when tuning handling but most people just assosiate the rating with the PS ones.

Dan

15th February 2011, 19:42

Theres a company in leicester that manufacture different sized torsion bars. around £200 a set iirc.

might work out cheaper for you to buy them, then get your contact to test/check them make sure there ok.

15th February 2011, 19:49

Hmm, will see what they come back with anyway. Do you have any details for said company?

Cheers

15th February 2011, 19:51

Might be interested pending prices ect

15th February 2011, 19:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanGT

Hi mate,

They will be basically the same spec as the PS ones. Although the chap warned me they may vary slighty depending on spring rates etc, i.e. for PS 23mm (265lb/in) may come up a slightly different size, you will still be able to fit them with out taking the axle apart though. It would be better to work from the spring rate than the diameter when tuning handling but most people just assosiate the rating with the PS ones.

Dan

The stiffer the better... without dismantling the beam.

(i like oversteer)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olly

Theres a company in leicester that manufacture different sized torsion bars. around £200 a set iirc.

might work out cheaper for you to buy them, then get your contact to test/check them make sure there ok.

Contact details?

15th February 2011, 20:33

honestly dont know the contact details i got some psf ones

. there was a group buy thread, think either willsy or webby was sorting it..

heres the link

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...p+torsion+bars

15th February 2011, 21:06

Your a legend Olly!

Only £180!

Contact details for previous group buy are..

B S Precision LTD

Unit 7 Premier Drum Works
Canal Street
Wigston
Leicestershire
LE18 4PL

Tel: 01162 787 521

You want to phone them Dan?

16th February 2011, 18:32

23mm torsion bars rock!

16th February 2011, 20:57

P.s. I sorted the group buy out in the end not Willsy or webby... It was me!! Just want to put that out there I want the credit for that one.

16th February 2011, 20:59

The 180 price was at the group buy price, so yer need 5 people last time to get them at that price but it extra for delivery and there deilvery prices are like 20-30 quid.

16th February 2011, 21:00

They are On eBay aswell. Hold on I'll find a link.

16th February 2011, 21:06

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

16th February 2011, 21:07

Time for another group buy then?

Anyone interested?

16th February 2011, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Time for another group buy then?

Anyone interested?

I am

16th February 2011, 21:12

That them, very nice people to deal with, it normal 5 people for the 180 price.

16th February 2011, 21:14

Me too.

DanGT, this is your thread what say yee?

16th February 2011, 22:23

Sorry for the delay. I'm in if there will be a enough people to do a group buy. I shall give them a buzz tomorrow. Shall we get a list going?

1. DanGT
2.

17th February 2011, 10:20

Worth noting that you can literally pick any thickness that you want with them.

Last time i went over there they'd just made up a set of 27mm ones on a picasso for a pug1off customer.

Can't fault the quality or service atall. Only thing i would suggest is that they used to use standard paint for the bars once made, I did suggest that they switch to powdercoating and find somewhere local to do it.

I opted to have mine unpainted and got the powdercoating done somewhere local to me where i could pick from 60+ off the shelf colours if id wanted to or virtually unlimited custom ones (went for gloss black anyway) which only cost me £20

For me the extra £20 invested in powdercoating is worthwhile

17th February 2011, 15:38

1. DanGT
2. Dave P

19th February 2011, 14:19

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt

20th February 2011, 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackvtrt

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt

4. Steve the new guy- was just about to pay £460 for a pair of 25mm torsion bars for the stock hatch!!!

20th February 2011, 09:32

I'm very interested. I cant afford them at the min, but probably will be able to by the time the group by gets sorted, or i'll just stretch!

20th February 2011, 09:33

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt
4. Steve - the new guy
5. JoshB

21st February 2011, 17:10

Looks like we have enough to get a decent price

I'm having trouble getting in touch with said company but will keep trying. I am hoping it wont take too long to get it all sorted! Will let everyone know about prices, time scales, postage etc when I speak to them.

Cheers,
Dan

21st February 2011, 17:18

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt
4. Steve - the new guy
5. JoshB
6. Tufty

pending prices and options

21st February 2011, 19:42

can you find out the rough lbs for each size torsion bar please? as I need to match mine to my 300lbs front springs

21st February 2011, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackvtrt

can you find out the rough lbs for each size torsion bar please? as I need to match mine to my 300lbs front springs

18mm 90lb/inch
19mm 110lb/inch
20mm 135lb/inch
21mm 165lb/inch
22mm 195lb/inch
23mm 235lb/inch
24mm 280lb/inch
25mm 330lb/inch

We need 22mm bars mate.

21st February 2011, 23:20

I have 23mm with my 300lb springs, feels pretty much spot on to me...

22nd February 2011, 02:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davo106

I have 23mm with my 300lb springs, feels pretty much spot on to me...

Agree have the same ones too......

22nd February 2011, 10:30

Would I be right in saying larger than 23mm bars won't slide in, in the the normal manner?

22nd February 2011, 12:25

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt
4. Steve - the new guy
5. JoshB
6. Tufty
7. rorz_vts

23rd February 2011, 10:09

[QUOTE=JoshB;5135651]18mm 90lb/inch
19mm 110lb/inch
20mm 135lb/inch
21mm 165lb/inch
22mm 195lb/inch
23mm 235lb/inch
24mm 280lb/inch
25mm 330lb/inch

i need 26mm bars please mate

how soon can we get hold of these? and who do i pay?

thanks

steve

25th February 2011, 00:54

Defo in on these, Please put me down for a set! I also have 300lb Fronts so will want 23mm, maybe 24!

25th February 2011, 15:49

Hi all,

Right I have been in touch with them and they have offered us the bars at £180 per set plus p+p. This is if we can get 10 people to order them, so far we have 8 and I have a couple of requests from some chaps over seas, which should make up the numbers.

Having discussed the best way to sort out money we decided that it would be easier (rather than everyone sending thier hard earned to someone they have never met) that payment will be send directly to ...... This way you get a recipt and peace of mind etc. All I require is email address' from eveyone who wants them so ...... can send you a paypal request form. If anyone doesn't want to use paypal I am sure if you speak to them there are alternative methods of payment.

After a deposit is recieved (which I am covering) they can start work making the torsion bars, and they should all be completed in 10 working days. The postage is around £25, so all in that £205 per set posted to your door.

Is everyone game?

Cheers,
Dan

25th February 2011, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

Would I be right in saying larger than 23mm bars won't slide in, in the the normal manner?

You will be ok at 23mm, I believe the splines are 23.5mm, although I haven't measured them, and after that the axle will need the arms off fit them. It isn't actually too bad of a job, just a pain if you have to re-adjust the height

Dan

25th February 2011, 16:01

The list so far...

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt
4. Steve - the new guy
5. JoshB
6. Tufty
7. rorz_vts
8. Daddypimpin
9. Marco?

25th February 2011, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanGT

You will be ok at 23mm, I believe the splines are 23.5mm, although I haven't measured them, and after that the axle will need the arms off fit them. It isn't actually too bad of a job, just a pain if you have to re-adjust the height

Ye, thats what i thought.

I've got 23mm bars on my 106, i think i'll fit them to the Saxo and get bigger ones for the 106.

Dummy shocker ride height height adjustment tool FTW.

Any luck contaction the company in question yet Dan?

25th February 2011, 19:19

just a quick one, what material are they, and are they heat treated and tempered?

25th February 2011, 20:19

I would like to know aswel if poss please.

25th February 2011, 21:55

yep- email address is steve@click4beds.co.uk-

get the company to send details and ill send payment.

thanks

25th February 2011, 23:24

hello - just come over from 106rr sign me down for 22 mm bars. thanks

25th February 2011, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAJ

hello - just come over from 106rr sign me down for 22 mm bars. thanks

Go bigger.

26th February 2011, 00:15

Any idea What size bars I would want for 235lb front springs? Or will standards be up to the job?

26th February 2011, 09:04

Hi all,

The material is basically a form of spring steel which is tempered (basically multi-step heat treating) to toughen it up enough to use under a car, same as you would with a coil spring. I don't know exactly what grade of steel it is but apparently is the same as PS use.

@ wicked-vtr: I would go for 22 or 23mm bars, depending on how oversteery you want. LOL. If you go 23mm then it gives you more scope to upgrade the front in the future.

All I need is email address' guys! If I can get everyone's by Monday then we should have our bars in around 2 weeks time!! BS Engineering are just waiting for email address' (to send payment request) and the deposit, which I am paying on Monday, so they can start work. Updated list...

1. DanGT
2. Dave P
3. Blackvtrt
4. Steve - the new guy
5. JoshB
6. Tufty
7. rorz_vts
8. Daddypimpin
9. Marco?
10. FAJ

26th February 2011, 23:21

Daddypimpin@hotmail.com & I think I'll have 23s. Cheers mate!

26th February 2011, 23:23

I hope everyone gets in so we don't loose these! How many people have gave you their E mails Dan?

27th February 2011, 07:54

Fingers crossed, so far I have 3. Although a couple of people haven't been on this weekend yet. Feel free to PM me too!

Good choice on the 23mm bars btw

Dan

27th February 2011, 23:04

Some guys on AXOC are interested aswel so I gave them the Link to here. Will the Company only do it if we get all 10?!

28th February 2011, 07:38

Im sure we will sort something out if we dont get all 10

am going to send deposit this morning so hoping I get another of numbers to send B S Engineering. Cheers

28th February 2011, 12:17

pm'd email. And i think im gonna take dave p advice and go thicker 23mm tb's please.

28th February 2011, 17:05

Hi all,

I have passed on everyone's email address' to B S Engineering so you should be recieving a payment request soon. If everyone could put in the notes bit, their phone number and delivery address (if your paypal doesn't already have it) it will make things alot quicker to push through. Deposit is sorted so we should have our bars in around 10 days time

Cheers,
Dan

28th February 2011, 21:08

I've received an email about payment for the t bars, can we arrange collection of them as £28 for delivery seems somewhat steep.

*edit* I've emailed the lassie about it.

*2nd edit* She's happy for us to arrange collection instead of paying £28 delivery.

1st March 2011, 13:31

O goody, more parts, less money in the Bank & still many months off finishing the Car lol! Cheers Dan!

1st March 2011, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daddypimpin

O goody, more parts, less money in the Bank & still many months off finishing the Car lol! Cheers Dan!

LOL. Always the way mate! I have many bits that havent found thier way onto the car yet

And cheers to Dave for enquiring about collection! I knew there would be something I'd forget to ask!

Still need emails from Tufty and rorz_vts so complete the set of 10!! I hope I got everyone sizes right too, just let me or Gill know if there are any problems.

Cheers,
Dan

1st March 2011, 23:34

Paid.

1st March 2011, 23:45

£28 delivery?

Are they made of lead?

2nd March 2011, 10:24

I'm collecting mine aswel, cost me £10 insted of £30............. £20 saving, what can I buy lol!

3rd March 2011, 12:01

I havnt received an email yet DanGT, I PM'd you my email address a few days ago. Did you get it?

3rd March 2011, 22:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_P

I've received an email about payment for the t bars, can we arrange collection of them as £28 for delivery seems somewhat steep.

*edit* I've emailed the lassie about it.

*2nd edit* She's happy for us to arrange collection instead of paying £28 delivery.

Does that mean we can arrange our own courier to collect then? So what is the due date for the first delivery to take place? Are these from the same place as the last group buy, can someone confirm that for me?
cheers

3rd March 2011, 22:59

Bars are from the same place as the last GB, if you've paid your £208 you've paid for delivery already, if you haven't paid yet email the lassie who sent you the paypal invoice for £208 and ask her to send you a revised one as you will arrange collection.

I always use www.interparcel.com only £8.39 to deliver the bars to me.

6th March 2011, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshB

I havnt received an email yet DanGT, I PM'd you my email address a few days ago. Did you get it?

Hi mate,

Yes I have passed on your email address with the first lot, so not sure why you haven't had a pay pal request yet. I will double check with Gill that she has sent them all out.

Cheers,
Dan

6th March 2011, 08:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackvtrt

Does that mean we can arrange our own courier to collect then? So what is the due date for the first delivery to take place? Are these from the same place as the last group buy, can someone confirm that for me?
cheers

Hi mate,

As Dave had said the bars are £180 plus p+p, so if you have paid £208, that will mean they will be posted to you when they are finished. I am not sure exactly when they will be finished or posted out, but if you speak to Gill you can arrange a courier to collect. How are you working it Dave, are you collecting yourself or are you sending a courier?

Cheers,
Dan

6th March 2011, 10:03

I'll be getting uk mail to collect the t bars.

6th March 2011, 22:55

hi there.

i paid ofr my bars but via a different paypal id- robert laidlaw ( accounts@distinctivechesterfields.com ) could you let them know as ive just recieved another payment request and i dont think they know ive paid!!

thanks

steve

7th March 2011, 14:49

No worries steve il speak to her today and let her know. Just for confirmation what size bars did you want so I can send it all over in one go then there is no confusion. Cheers.

7th March 2011, 21:11

BlackVTRT - Can you confirm what size torsion bars you require?

I have sent Gill an email today with various queries so am awaiting reply.

Cheers,
Dan

8th March 2011, 20:52

hi there- 26mm pleease!
thanks

steve

9th March 2011, 17:57

Hi all,

Have sent all relevant info over and had a reply today, the first lot of torsion bars have been posted out so should be with everyone very soon!

Gill said she hasn't recieved payment from BlackVTRT and JoshB (I think). I relise she has only just had your email address again JoshB, but both your bars are done so are just waiting for the funds then they will be sent out.

Cheers all,
Dan

9th March 2011, 23:26

Hi Dan, do you know when mine will be ready so I can go collect them?!

10th March 2011, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daddypimpin

Hi Dan, do you know when mine will be ready so I can go collect them?!

Hi mate,

I think yours are ready now and Gill is just waiting for payment!

Cheers,
Dan

10th March 2011, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanGT

Hi mate,

I think yours are ready now and Gill is just waiting for payment!

Cheers,
Dan

Sorry got that wrong, she has had your payment, but did you pay the £208 or £180? If it £208 then they will be in the post I think. Will send an email to confirm.

Cheers,
Dan

10th March 2011, 20:13

I paid the £180 which is why I was asking when mine will be ready for me to collect?!

12th March 2011, 20:38

Any news mate?!

13th March 2011, 07:02

Got my email! Will send payment ASAP

Cheers for sorting this out DanGT

14th March 2011, 23:43

Hi Dan, have you heard back about when I will be able to collect mine?! I paid a while ago now & haven't even had a reply!

18th March 2011, 11:45

Hi,

I followed the link from AXOC - any chance of slipping in an order?

My AX GT Mk2 (740Kg) is a bit of a compromise car between road and track day.

Suspension setup with Bilstein B8s & 150Lb springs up front & Pug Comp rear dampers so 23mm is probably too extreme...thinking 21mm might be more like it. Can't remember the ARB, think 24mm.

Cheers,

Julian

18th March 2011, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by holmfirthsteve

hi there- 26mm pleease!
thanks

steve

Shit me 26 we have a new drift king in the making

18th March 2011, 12:14

Hi,

I followed the link from AXOC - any chance of slipping in an order?

My AX GT Mk2 (740Kg) is a bit of a compromise car between road and track day.

Suspension setup with Bilstein B8s & 150Lb springs up front & Pug Comp rear dampers so 23mm is probably too extreme...thinking 21mm might be more like it. Can't remember the ARB, think 24mm.

Cheers,

Julian

18th March 2011, 13:58

std vts torsion bars + 24mm arb will be fine

18th March 2011, 16:13

My bars arrived today.

18th March 2011, 17:47

arb?????????????????

19th March 2011, 08:19

LOL. I think my 25mm ones were 24.95 or something! Might have had less paint on though. Has anyone else had theirs yet?

I received mine last week and they are already in the car! Be aware though, mine were about 2mm too long so that when I put them in I couldn't get the retaining washers to fit in the recesses! Bit of a pain when you have to basically strip the axle to fit the larger diameter one! I just had to angle grind 2mm off then file it flat, not a big deal.

When you go to fit yours just check them against the length of the old bars first to save a bit of ball ache.

@ Suckmyrockets: I can send an email off to Gill if you are definitely interested, although I can't make any promises as most peoples bars have been delivered!

Cheers,
Dan

19th March 2011, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

arb?????????????????

No, 1 of the t bars.

19th March 2011, 16:00

So with the bar being thicker than the spline do you need to remove the arms to get the bars in? I cant imagine them going through.the splines in the arms...

Ive never fit larger than standard bars thats all but may uprate to 21 in the near future

19th March 2011, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexy_gt

So with the bar being thicker than the spline do you need to remove the arms to get the bars in? I cant imagine them going through.the splines in the arms...

Ive never fit larger than standard bars thats all but may uprate to 21 in the near future

Thats correct mate, its not too much bother especially if you have done it before. just LOADS more faff if you have to readjust your ride heights as I had to about 3 times. lol.

Dan

19th March 2011, 22:31

Yes id imagine if i set.my height same.as standard bars.in but with.your 25s it would sit.much higher. Do you race the car as 25 sounds massively stiff. I still use standard bars and a 24mm rear arb

9th May 2011, 09:17

Hi,

I have missed this group by order, is anybody can give me contact to done a new order ?

Tks a lot

19th May 2011, 08:29

me too please, looking for 21mm

23rd July 2011, 10:50

Is this still going for £180? Ill have 23mm torsion bars?

23rd July 2011, 23:29

think this finished - there is a group buy on rallye register im getting some 23's

24th July 2011, 09:10

Hi guys, I missed you replys! Yes this group buy has finished but as mathias has said there is one RR if your quick!

Cheers,
Dan