gearbox

1. kevsax Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Heanor, Derbyshire Posts: 229 saxo vts 1998 mk1

   #1 2nd March 2011, 20:49

   keep hearing different things bout puttin a vtr box on my vts some say its good and some say its not so good so dont no what to do
2. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #2 2nd March 2011, 20:51

   not unless you want to kill the perofmance in gear
3. VTR_Craig Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Lincoln/Newark Posts: 2673 Mercedes C220, Scooby, Saxo VTS

   #3 2nd March 2011, 20:52

   depends what you want out of your VTS
   
   if your looking for acceleration then the shorter ratio's of the VTS box will be much better
   
   if you look for economy and lower revs at motorway cruising speed then go for a VTR box
4. kevsax Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Heanor, Derbyshire Posts: 229 saxo vts 1998 mk1

   #4 2nd March 2011, 20:57

   mite just stick with the vts box then dont want to loose performance
5. kevsax Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2010 Heanor, Derbyshire Posts: 229 saxo vts 1998 mk1

   #5 3rd March 2011, 19:26

   keep hearing different things so not sure what to do
6. Kyza Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 1016

   #6 3rd March 2011, 19:28

   What have you been told? Maybe we can tell you whats true and whats not?
7. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

   #7 3rd March 2011, 19:35

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by kevsax keep hearing different things so not sure what to do

   VTR_Craig has summed it up rather well. If people have told you different odds are they are confused.
8. harry289 Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 Lincolnshire Posts: 1633 Icelandic Grey Saxo VTR

   #8 3rd March 2011, 19:37

   Just keep the VTS box
9. b-christie Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 dundee (scotland) Posts: 466 saxo vtr/vts engine

   #9 6th March 2011, 14:46

   ive ran both on my vts never noticed any difference my brother has a 1.1 gear box on his 106gti and he says he does not notice a difference in acceleration just top speed
10. stuartm L-plater Joined: Aug 2010 Over here Posts: 46 VTS - mystical 2 prong head version;)

    #10 6th March 2011, 15:36

    I was wondering about the 1.1 box as my vts has a vtr box on(bought it like it), it goes well enough it's just hitting over 70mph in second leaves me bored i would rather be stiring the box a bit more, coming off a roundabout in 2nd the revs are too low for good acceleration.
    Looking at the gearbox ratio thread it seems the 1.1 box would be better for me as first & second gear are similar to the vts box but third & fourth are shorter, fifth being a bit longer(than vts box) for cruising(see below). I'd imagine the(slightly)shorter third & forth to help with the lack luster time getting from 60-100.
    
    Changing at 7250rpm
    
    Vtr box Vts box 1.1 box
    1st 36.2 34.6 32.4
    2nd 69.3 61.5 61.2
    3rd 98.4 88.2 86.8
    4th 122.3 114.3 107.9
    5th 163.6 141.2 144.4
    (From gear ratio thread)http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615
    
    Revs drop changing up at 7000rpm (from gear below).
    
    Gti/VTS (3.94 FDR)
    2nd 4050
    3rd 4800
    4th 5450
    5th 5700
    
    Typical 954/1124cc (4.29 FDR)
    2nd 4150
    3rd 5000
    4th 5700
    5th 5200
    
    VTR (3.77 FDR)
    2nd 3900
    3rd 4950
    4th 5600
    5th 5250
    From http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=23534
    
    
    Please feel free to correct me if i'm way off the mark
11. b-christie Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2008 dundee (scotland) Posts: 466 saxo vtr/vts engine

    #11 7th March 2011, 21:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stuartm I was wondering about the 1.1 box as my vts has a vtr box on(bought it like it), it goes well enough it's just hitting over 70mph in second leaves me bored i would rather be stiring the box a bit more, coming off a roundabout in 2nd the revs are too low for good acceleration. Looking at the gearbox ratio thread it seems the 1.1 box would be better for me as first & second gear are similar to the vts box but third & fourth are shorter, fifth being a bit longer(than vts box) for cruising(see below). I'd imagine the(slightly)shorter third & forth to help with the lack luster time getting from 60-100. Changing at 7250rpm Vtr box Vts box 1.1 box 1st 36.2 34.6 32.4 2nd 69.3 61.5 61.2 3rd 98.4 88.2 86.8 4th 122.3 114.3 107.9 5th 163.6 141.2 144.4 (From gear ratio thread)http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=125615 Revs drop changing up at 7000rpm (from gear below). Gti/VTS (3.94 FDR) 2nd 4050 3rd 4800 4th 5450 5th 5700 Typical 954/1124cc (4.29 FDR) 2nd 4150 3rd 5000 4th 5700 5th 5200 VTR (3.77 FDR) 2nd 3900 3rd 4950 4th 5600 5th 5250 From http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=23534 Please feel free to correct me if i'm way off the mark

    
    these facts may be true but they are not a really great noticeable difference looks afair bit on paper
12. stuartm L-plater Joined: Aug 2010 Over here Posts: 46 VTS - mystical 2 prong head version;)

    #12 8th March 2011, 18:57

    If im going from a vtr box to a 1.1 surely i'll notice the difference?