My vts conversion...........(pics)

1. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #1 13th June 2006, 07:27

   Over the last few days me and the brother in law (the brains of the outfit) have been converting my VTR into a VTS so I thought I'd share the memories with you lot and keep the post updated as things progress.
   
   
   The vts engine was sourced from a local scrappy the car was mashed but the engine was in tact with only 24k on the clock:
   
   
   Cash was exchanged and we took pretty much everything we could get our hands on including the vts wheels which are soon to be sprayed.
   
   We set about removing the not so pretty vtr engine which wasn't too much hassle apart from the odd rusty nut or bolt:
   
   
   With the vtr out and hole where the engine once rested you start too wonder if its such a good idea:
   
   
   The VTS engine and gear box were separated at the scrappy so in out wisdom we decided to drop the engine in through the top and attach the gearbox once the engine was mounted. This proved more time consuming then we thought but our patience finally paid off and the engine was in:
   
   
   
   Some of you may notice the lovely shiny manifold? This was a complete nightmare to fit as we used the original studs, which were two long and needed cutting down.
   
   All that remains now is the wiring which is proving quite difficult as there seems to be many differences between the VTR (mk1) & VTS (mk2). We still need to identify what wire does what, if anyone could point us in the direction of a wiring guide that would great.
   
   
   
   Were hoping to get it running this weekend so I’ll keep you updated on the success.
   
   (I also have a wide variety of VTR/S engine parts so drop me a PM if your in need of anything)
   
   Regards
   
   Steve
2. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #2 13th June 2006, 08:07

   It's always good to see when it comes these types of larger scale mods.
   I dont know about the wiring issue. but good luck man, its looking very promising.
   
   Let us know how you get on
3. m20pub Established Member Joined: Nov 2005 preston United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1777 saxo vts & berlingo van

   #3 13th June 2006, 08:16

   looking good
4. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #4 13th June 2006, 08:20

   If it goes as good as it looks I'm laughing!
5. tgazvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Widnes United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3896 250bhp zafira, corsa 1.2 and 172 cup

   #5 13th June 2006, 08:39

   looking great mate. if you dont mind me asking how much did you get the engine for? as for the wiring diagram i dont no where to get one from but is there one in the haynes manual?
6. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #6 13th June 2006, 08:59

   The haynes manual does have a wiring digram but its not specific to the mk2 vts which is a slight problem.
   
   For £500 I managed to get:
   
   Complete Engine ("02" plate 24k with 3 month warranty) , gearbox, driveshafts,complete front struts calipers etc.., ECU loom and the all important "VTS" badges.
   
   The wheels were only £75.
   
   Bargain!
7. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

   #7 13th June 2006, 10:00

   nice one, looking good, speak to artnmotion he has a mk1 vtr converted vts and might be able to help
8. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

   #8 13th June 2006, 10:30

   I'll drop him a line, hopefully he can help me out.
9. starkie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2004 Kent United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3912 Black Saxo VTS

   #9 13th June 2006, 13:33

   Also PM Dan, he will be able to help you!
   
   Click me
10. Andyt Established Member Joined: Dec 2003 Stirling United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 2268 16v powered furio.

    #10 13th June 2006, 13:37

    That's Dan's old car. It was Dan and one of his mates that done the conversion i think. Try him if you don't have any luck.
    
    Engine looks nice and shiny!
    
    <Edit> Beat me to it Mark
11. Furio-Hoe Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cambridge Posts: 401 saxo furio mk2 1.4i 8V

    #11 13th June 2006, 14:11

    alright do you know if that conversion is possible on a Furio mk2 V reg?
    cuz 1.48V jus isnt doing it for me an ive jus blown the gasket lol
12. Mattvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 hinckley Posts: 2580

    #12 13th June 2006, 14:16

    anything is possible if you put your mind to it
13. Furio-Hoe Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cambridge Posts: 401 saxo furio mk2 1.4i 8V

    #13 13th June 2006, 14:21

    if ya can read ma other post i made... n reply if u got ne info pls
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36928
14. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #14 13th June 2006, 15:43

    I dropped him a line so hopefully he can shed some light on the sitaution.
    
    Andyt84 - There's plenty more shiny bits on the way but I've gotta get it running before I can worry too much about them.
    
    Cheers for the help.
    
    Steve
15. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #15 13th June 2006, 15:44

    Thats looking really good. Please tell me how it runs because i am toying with the idea of a VTS conversion too.
    
    Again, good work!
16. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

    #16 13th June 2006, 17:13

    Mine was a mk1 - mk1 conversion so wiring was fairly similar.
    
    Dont put the vts badges on it mate, keep it as a sleeper and leave vtr badges on.
    
    As said in my PM, Ratty is the guy to speak to about engines.
17. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #17 13th June 2006, 18:38

    Yeah I was thinking of keeping the badges on but haven't made my mind up yet.
    
    I'm wishing I would have just brought a vts now I'm having all this hassle with the wiring but I'm sure it'll all be worth it when I get it running .
18. peebee Established Member Joined: Jun 2004 Worcester United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2209 Saxo VTR MK2

    #18 13th June 2006, 19:03

    Oooo, nasty, nice to see the engines being used... Good man!
19. tgazvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Widnes United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3896 250bhp zafira, corsa 1.2 and 172 cup

    #19 13th June 2006, 19:22

    that is one great price you got all of that for, the reason i asked was because im thinking of having a go at doing this myself.
20. Saxo_Wilson Established Member Joined: May 2005 Newcastle (Cramlington) United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1268 Ice blue Saxo VTS

    #20 13th June 2006, 19:34

    The engine looks very clean indeed mate. Did the engine not come with an EGR Valve?
21. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #21 13th June 2006, 19:51

    It was a good price alot the engines for sale were high milers or had bits from here there and every where i wasn't willing to give any bloke a couple hundread quid for some engine he had buried in a shed.
    
    You gotta give it a go it aint easy and its hard work overcoming the unforseen problems but at the end you'll have a sense of achievemnent, saved your self a couple of hundread quid and hopefully become an engine conversion legend*.
    
    I'm looking forward to getting it movin now and getting some more bits for it.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    (*Legendary status is not guaranteed you may need to do a twin engined saxo for that kind of status)
22. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #22 13th June 2006, 19:55

    It did come with an ERG valve but i didn't have anywhere to connect it and it didn't seem essential so I just blocked the hole up with another fine fabricated part.
    
    Hopefully it wont come back to haunt me
23. spencer_cammedvts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2005 MEASHAM United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3445 257bhp Ibiza Cupra Turbo

    #23 13th June 2006, 21:14

    whats the bent rubber pipe for on the last pic that is running aong the bottom of the ecu and resting on te alternator? its just that i dont know where mine is supposed to go after i done the conversion!
24. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

    #24 13th June 2006, 23:15

    Wont need the egr valve matey with that manifold, which looks great by the way. Will go a nice burnt bluey, purple once been used.
25. Hazza17 Established Member Joined: Oct 2005 Southampton United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2333 Mazda Rx7, Honda Integra DC5 and GTR

    #25 14th June 2006, 11:36

    wasnt the engine a bit damaged though cause the mate that crashed the black vts took one hell of a smash
26. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #26 14th June 2006, 14:16

    There doesn't appear to be any damage it was perfectly secure within the engine mounts and from what I can see everything looks good on the inside.
    
    Most of the impact would have be absorbed by the rear of the car the front had minimal if any form of damage. All the oil was clean etc.
    
    I suppose i'll only know how good it is when its up and running.
27. Ratty Established Member Joined: Jun 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 1682

    #27 14th June 2006, 15:22

    worst that could of happend was the timing gets knocked out (although if you heard the engine running before taking it away you would know this) otherwise check the timing and if its ok your fine, if its not then it might get expensive.
28. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #28 15th June 2006, 02:32

    Timing is fine, the engine is in excellent condition considering only thing it needs is a new alt belt lol! the engine didn't look that shiny before ste got the sander out lol.... I might get him to polish my engine bits lol. Hopefully it'll be running this weekend as I had to stop the wiring last week as it got too dark lol
29. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #29 15th June 2006, 02:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SPENCER6 whats the bent rubber pipe for on the last pic that is running aong the bottom of the ecu and resting on te alternator? its just that i dont know where mine is supposed to go after i done the conversion!

    The bent pipe connects to the electro purge valve inside the drivers arch, if you trace the wire in and remove the arch liner (ratehr than the wing) you'll see its connected to a brown cylinder (looks a bit like a fuel filter)... this valve (activated once the car is at running temp) allows gases from the top of the fuel tank to pass (via a charcoal cylinder) into the inlet manifold to be burnt.... this is just another emissions control device
30. spencer_cammedvts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2005 MEASHAM United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3445 257bhp Ibiza Cupra Turbo

    #30 15th June 2006, 12:59

    where does it link up to on the vts engine though? i cant find anything to slot it onto!
31. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #31 15th June 2006, 20:49

    Yeh sorry, there should be a connector on the base of the inlet manifold, on the ECU side ( I think its directly below idle stepper for the throttle cable)
32. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #32 15th June 2006, 21:02

    Quote:

    Yeh sorry, there should be a connector on the base of the inlet manifold, on the ECU side ( I think its directly below idle stepper for the throttle cable)

    You've gotta stop reading them haynes manuals :
    
    Try watching tv or something.
33. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #33 16th June 2006, 00:07

    You wouldn't have a VTS engine sitting in the bay of that VTr if I didn't know that manual back to front lol....
34. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #34 17th June 2006, 20:51

    It lives!!!!!!..... mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... had nearly given up hope after starting very late today but I finally managed to find the right wire that was stopping all the fun!.... the wire from the relay to fuse 9 (fuel pump circuit) as the VTR loom is ghey!.... theres only a small amount left i.e tidying and finalising things!..... it sounds awesome!!
35. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #35 17th June 2006, 22:14

    Cant wait to drive it now.
    
    I can vouch for the sound
36. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #36 17th June 2006, 22:16

    Thanks to everyone who offered advice it was much appreciated.
37. Mattvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 hinckley Posts: 2580

    #37 17th June 2006, 22:38

    get pics n vids up!!
38. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #38 17th June 2006, 22:50

    we did a phone vid but it made it sound like a bag of spanners! lol I'll take the camcorder down tomorrow and do a proper vid once its all tidied up as there is an abundance of wires strewn throughout the engine bay lol, couldn't be arsed to put the cowling back on today lol
39. ets2k9 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2006 Hednesford, West Mids Posts: 6230 Seat Leon Cupra R

    #39 19th June 2006, 09:01

    Finally took it for a test drive last night despite the brake lights being constantly on (Still a few faults to iron out ).
    
    It sounds amazing I only went a couple of yards but it drove really well.
    
    The manifold has now changed to an expensive looking gold colour, it still looks mint!.
    
    
    
    I'm well impressed but i'll be glad to get it working 100%, then I can give it some revs.
    
    Big thanks to Mr AX_Beefy who worked on the car whilst I went Go Karting (I had no choice).
40. RedB Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Haywards Heath Posts: 8445

    #40 10th May 2007, 11:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ets2k9 If it goes as good as it looks I'm laughing!

    Looking very good mate, im getting a new engine for mine and if i can anywhere near the same deal as you i'll be laughing. Where did you get yours from?
    
    PicsComingSoon RB