Citroen Saxo 1.0i

19th March 2011, 16:52

Hi all,I am new on this forum,I am from Croatia.

I have Citroen Saxo 1.0i which was bought in 2000.

Since I turned 18years 3months ago I would like to mod my car.

I wan to know can i put in this saxo 1.4 engine and what else I must change?

thx

19th March 2011, 20:55

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Originally Posted by rudaCro

Hi all,I am new on this forum,I am from Croatia.

I have Citroen Saxo 1.0i which was bought in 2000.

Since I turned 18years 3months ago I would like to mod my car.

I wan to know can i put in this saxo 1.4 engine and what else I must change?

thx

Hi RudaCro,

Welcome to sax-p. Firstly yes you can put a 1.4 engine into your saxo. What you would need is the Engine, Wiring Loom, Ecu. Is your car 3 plug or 1 plug? The ecu you buy will need to be either 3 plug or 1 plug. Secondly - at the top right hand corner of the screen is a search button as this has been covered alot of times over the years i am sure you could find something useful on there

19th March 2011, 21:27

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Originally Posted by ClumpyVtR

Hi RudaCro,

Welcome to sax-p. Firstly yes you can put a 1.4 engine into your saxo. What you would need is the Engine, Wiring Loom, Ecu. Is your car 3 plug or 1 plug? The ecu you buy will need to be either 3 plug or 1 plug. Secondly - at the top right hand corner of the screen is a search button as this has been covered alot of times over the years i am sure you could find something useful on there

If hes matching ecu's where does a new loom come into it?

19th March 2011, 21:30

I think the 1.4 has bigger brake calipers, and deff has bigger tyres

19th March 2011, 21:31

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Originally Posted by ClumpyVtR

Hi RudaCro,

Welcome to sax-p. Firstly yes you can put a 1.4 engine into your saxo. What you would need is the Engine, Wiring Loom, Ecu. Is your car 3 plug or 1 plug? The ecu you buy will need to be either 3 plug or 1 plug. Secondly - at the top right hand corner of the screen is a search button as this has been covered alot of times over the years i am sure you could find something useful on there

my car is 1 plug

19th March 2011, 21:32

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Originally Posted by Railroader

If hes matching ecu's where does a new loom come into it?

it makes lifes much easier and although theres nothing saying the sensors will be diff, chances are a few of them maybe, depending on the years of cars hes swapping lumps with

19th March 2011, 21:38

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

it makes lifes much easier and although theres nothing saying the sensors will be diff, chances are a few of them maybe, depending on the years of cars hes swapping lumps with

Don't understand. What makes life easier, putting a loom in or not putting a loom in? If OP is getting a new engine it will prob have TB with it

19th March 2011, 21:38

omg this wiring loom is realy complicated

19th March 2011, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Railroader

Don't understand. What makes life easier, putting a loom in or not putting a loom in? If OP is getting a new engine it will prob have TB with it

what has the TB got to do with it?, if th OP wants to make life easy hell get the loom that matches the engine and so plugs in correctly to all the sensors that match that year of engine, removing an engine loom takes 5 mins when the engines coming out, same with re fitting, this eliminates any possible problems with sensor plugs or finding out which ones dont match

19th March 2011, 21:53

railroader its common sense that the 1.0 and 1.4 engines most likely dont use all the same sensors

19th March 2011, 21:54

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Originally Posted by rudaCro

omg this wiring loom is realy complicated

it maybe for your car as there are 3 types of looms that fit saxo, single plug, single plug crossover(around the 2000 model age) and the 3 plug, you need to find out which multi plug you have for a start, behind the passenger headlight area onto the inner wing, your engine loom plugs into the interior loom take a close up pic of it and post it in here,

typically for your car you can basically do it with:
engine
ecu
loom

but its better to add radiator etc, in all honsty it would be much better to fit the 1.6 vtr engine as the 1.4 really isnt much of an upgrade

19th March 2011, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Saxovch22

railroader its common sense that the 1.0 and 1.4 engines most likely dont use all the same sensors

for the most part theyre all near enough plug an play, looms are pretty much the same thoughout the range, but becasue of the years of the cars changing, the plugs on the looms for various sensors change(probs through supplier change/modernisation), as did the colours and types of plugs and wires, so you could find alot of the plugs dont match/fit the sensors if you buy looms/engines seperate, and if they look diff it makes it harder to find out which ones are problems

19th March 2011, 22:12

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

it maybe for your car as there are 3 types of looms that fit saxo, single plug, single plug crossover(around the 2000 model age) and the 3 plug, you need to find out which multi plug you have for a start, behind the passenger headlight area onto the inner wing, your engine loom plugs into the interior loom take a close up pic of it and post it in here,

typically for your car you can basically do it with:
engine
ecu
loom

but its better to add radiator etc, in all honsty it would be much better to fit the 1.6 vtr engine as the 1.4 really isnt much of an upgrade

so the 1.6 engine would be better solution than the 1.4 ,in that case will i have to change engine,ecu and loom or some more things?

19th March 2011, 22:27

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Originally Posted by rudaCro

Hi all,I am new on this forum,I am from Croatia.

I have Citroen Saxo 1.0i which was bought in 2000.

Since I turned 18years 3months ago I would like to mod my car.

I wan to know can i put in this saxo 1.4 engine and what else I must change?

thx

welcome

few recommendations if insurance will let you drop a complete 1.3 rallye engine in or 1.4 xsi engine engine will drop in no problem but you will need to get the loom spliced which can be done by ryanmt on here.

Other things to consider is 4 stud conversion again this can be done cheap all you need is a 4 stud drum beam, 4 stud front struts with brakes, shafts can use current wishbones no problem

plenty of options you just need to think on budget and go from there

19th March 2011, 22:29

if going for the 1.6 engine, youd need, engine, loom, ecu, and would be seriousley advised to get rad/fan set up, should be able to use your mounts although you could probs get vtr ones with engine if you try, also use your gearbox,

but its really not worth wasting time fitting the 1.4 as its not much quicker then the 1.1

or as gav has posted above, the 1.4xsi or 1.3 rallye engines are very good

......just the saxo 1.4 whichis pretty poor lol

19th March 2011, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Saxovch22

railroader its common sense that the 1.0 and 1.4 engines most likely dont use all the same sensors

Obviously it is, I never said different.

19th March 2011, 23:43

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

what has the TB got to do with it?, if th OP wants to make life easy hell get the loom that matches the engine and so plugs in correctly to all the sensors that match that year of engine, removing an engine loom takes 5 mins when the engines coming out, same with re fitting, this eliminates any possible problems with sensor plugs or finding out which ones dont match

The throttle body has got to do with it because {obviously} it matches the engine and the ATS is in it.

Its easier in the first place to get an engine of the same year because [obviously] theres no messing about with looms.

19th March 2011, 23:48

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Originally Posted by Railroader

The throttle body has got to do with it because {obviously} it matches the engine and the ATS is in it.

ATS? unforntunatley it takes more then a few sensors on the TB to run an engine mate(obviousley). The TB with the engine will obviousley match the engine too....if he uses his origninal loom theres notthing saying that itll plug an play with the 1.1 set up though.. its a diff engine

19th March 2011, 23:48

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

if going for the 1.6 engine, youd need, engine, loom, ecu, and would be seriousley advised to get rad/fan set up, should be able to use your mounts although you could probs get vtr ones with engine if you try, also use your gearbox,

but its really not worth wasting time fitting the 1.4 as its not much quicker then the 1.1

or as gav has posted above, the 1.4xsi or 1.3 rallye engines are very good

......just the saxo 1.4 whichis pretty poor lol

Completely agree. Although 1.0 is 50bhp and 50ftlb torque? 1.4 is 75bhp and 70 ft lb torque? he would notice an incredible difference! Definately get a 1.6 as its so much more powerful

19th March 2011, 23:52

Dropping in an XSi engine is the best option imo, they are rated at 100hp same as a VTR but lighter. Theres a few on the 106 board. I presemr you're not telling the insurance or you would just buy a 1.4

19th March 2011, 23:55

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Originally Posted by ClumpyVtR

Completely agree. Although 1.0 is 50bhp and 50ftlb torque? 1.4 is 75bhp and 70 ft lb torque? he would notice an incredible difference! Definately get a 1.6 as its so much more powerful

haha, yeah, a bit exageration on my behalf

, BUT on paper thats alot, in real life the sax 1.4 lump is pretty poor, he'd notice a diff and be bored of it in a week,

its alot of hassle buying/changing lumps, go for the 1.6 or your wasting your time mate

19th March 2011, 23:57

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Originally Posted by Railroader

I think the 1.4 has bigger brake calipers, and deff has bigger tyres

WTF does that have to do with an engine conversion!?

19th March 2011, 23:58

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

ATS? unforntunatley it takes more then a few sensors on the TB to run an engine mate(obviousley). The TB with the engine will obviousley match the engine too....if he uses his origninal loom theres notthing saying that itll plug an play with the 1.1 set up though.. its a diff engine

ATS = Air Temperature Sensor. I hate to break it to you like that. Im not sure what your point is here. You asked me what the throttle body had to do with it, so I explained. It means that the 2 sensors in the TB match and you dont have to get new ones [if different]. Obvously there are the coolant temp sensor [CTS] which is probably the same and the Lambda Sensor [LS] which will probably be different.

20th March 2011, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Morgzc

WTF does that have to do with an engine conversion!?

Are you a bit thick or something? If you have more power you need better brakes and wheels/tyres. thats why the manufacturer puts them on as standard.

20th March 2011, 00:03

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

haha, yeah, a bit exageration on my behalf

, BUT on paper thats alot, in real life the sax 1.4 lump is pretty poor, he'd notice a diff and be bored of it in a week,

its alot of hassle buying/changing lumps, go for the 1.6 or your wasting your time mate

thered be a massive torque difference, It the difference between the 1.4 and the VTR which is hardly noticeable, at least it is in mine. Ive always thought the 1.4 engine is quite good, its MPG is better than a 1.6 and its quieter running.

20th March 2011, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Railroader

ATS = Air Temperature Sensor. I hate to break it to you like that. Im not sure what your point is here. You asked me what the throttle body had to do with it, so I explained. It means that the 2 sensors in the TB match and you dont have to get new ones [if different]. Obvously there are the coolant temp sensor [CTS] which is probably the same and the Lambda Sensor [LS] which will probably be different.

how do you know they match? theres lots of diff plugs over the models and years? your talking about keeping the loom his 1.0 came with and running a 1.4 lump on it? by all means its totally possible, but how can you know those two in particular match? you randomly stated TB so i asked why? as said theres MANY more sensors then the few found on a TB, if you dont know what your tlaking about please dont post hes asking for advice not confusion

20th March 2011, 00:13

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

how do you know they match? theres lots of diff plugs over the models and years? your talking about keeping the loom his 1.0 came with and running a 1.4 lump on it? by all means its totally possible, but how can you know those two in particular match? you randomly stated TB so i asked why? as said theres MANY more sensors then the few found on a TB, if you dont know what your tlaking about please dont post hes asking for advice not confusion

Its you who is confusing things by not explaining properly, you didnt state wether loom or no loom was easier, which is why I had to ask.

I was referring obviously to the TB and its two sensors will match its new engine, not that it would necessarily match the plugs on the existing loom, which it probably would. When you go on about MANY more sensors, which ones are you referring to further that the CTS's and the LS which I have already mentioned? And what is your point exactly about them?

20th March 2011, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Railroader

Are you a bit thick or something? If you have more power you need better brakes and wheels/tyres. thats why the manufacturer puts them on as standard.

He is upgrading from 50 to 75bhp, hardly a big jump now is it. I would be more concerned about the tyre quality rather than the dimensions...

20th March 2011, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Morgzc

He is upgrading from 50 to 75bhp, hardly a big jump now is it. I would be more concerned about the tyre quality rather than the dimensions...

Of course 50% is a big jump, but like I said its the torque that would be more noticeable [rather than peak HP] its makes the car much more driveable and enjoyable, you dont have to rev its bollox off to get anywhere.

If you think leaving 1.0 tyres on an car with a 1.4 or a 1.6 engine in you are plainly a fool. Because you would not be able to utilise the extra power and make it pointless upgrading in the first place.

20th March 2011, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Railroader

Its you who is confusing things by not explaining properly, you didnt state wether loom or no loom was easier, which is why I had to ask.

I was referring obviously to the TB and its two sensors will match its new engine, not that it would necessarily match the plugs on the existing loom, which it probably would. When you go on about MANY more sensors, which ones are you referring to further that the CTS's and the LS which I have already mentioned? And what is your point exactly about them?

if you read back youll realise its pretty plain to see, im quoting why you ask for needing to replace looms if hes matching ecu's, the sensors may not.... but most probs will have one or two or maybe more sensors different(sods law), he needs it to be easy, so should go with loom that fits engine hes fitting

its not majorly hard to get round this, but if your limited on knowledge you may not be abe to recognise whats missing/wrong if you try to mix and match looms etc, due to wires etc being diff,

i have no idea why you brought in TB because even sensors on these on cars of the same year and plug can change,

20th March 2011, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Railroader

Of course 50% is a big jump, but like I said its the torque that would be more noticeable [rather than peak HP] its makes the car much more driveable and enjoyable, you dont have to rev its bollox off to get anywhere.

If you think leaving 1.0 tyres on an car with a 1.4 or a 1.6 engine in you are plainly a fool. Because you would not be able to utilise the extra power and make it pointless upgrading in the first place.

Before you start calling me an idiot maybe you should read your own post "BIGGER TYRES". Buying bigger pov spec tyres will do nothing. Its about the tyre quality.

20th March 2011, 09:17

o man dont argue pls, this is realy big job for me i havent still decided will i replace engine or not...

20th March 2011, 09:37

mate simple, drive the 1.0 round for a while to get experience and say 1 yrs no claims then just get either a 1.4 or vtr save the ball ach of changing engines, will stop them arguing

and it will all be legal with the insurance. so suffer now to reep the rewards of a vrt/s in 1-2 yrs time.

20th March 2011, 10:08

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Originally Posted by f13sta

mate simple, drive the 1.0 round for a while to get experience and say 1 yrs no claims then just get either a 1.4 or vtr save the ball ach of changing engines, will stop them arguing

and it will all be legal with the insurance. so suffer now to reep the rewards of a vrt/s in 1-2 yrs time.

yea mate you are right , I was thinking of that ,i think I will drive this car for a year or two and then buy c2 vts.

thanks all

20th March 2011, 18:35

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Originally Posted by Morgzc

Before you start calling me an idiot maybe you should read your own post "BIGGER TYRES". Buying bigger pov spec tyres will do nothing. Its about the tyre quality.

Idiot, bigger tyres of the same quality is assumed pari passau [all things being equal]. If I had meant bigger tyres but worse quality I would have said so.

20th March 2011, 18:41

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Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

if you read back youll realise its pretty plain to see, im quoting why you ask for needing to replace looms if hes matching ecu's, the sensors may not.... but most probs will have one or two or maybe more sensors different(sods law), he needs it to be easy, so should go with loom that fits engine hes fitting

its not majorly hard to get round this, but if your limited on knowledge you may not be abe to recognise whats missing/wrong if you try to mix and match looms etc, due to wires etc being diff,

i have no idea why you brought in TB because even sensors on these on cars of the same year and plug can change,

I can't even reply to this gobbledycarp. I remember asking you to itemise all these MANY sensors that you deemed so important to put in capital letters, but you haven't done. You have brains of porridge and I can't attempt to communicate any more.

20th March 2011, 18:50

If you are going through the ballache of dropping a bigger engine into a 1.1 shell then you need to be looking at VTR/VTS

The 1.4 engine isn't much good imo and yes I have owned one
25bhp extra for all that work of swapping engines?
You will notice a slight difference but it won't be massive and you will be bored after a few weeks and wished you got the VTR/VTS engine instead.

As soon as you declare an engine conversion to your insurer, it's going to put the price up and the difference between a 1.4 and a VTR probably won't be that much.
Either stick with the 1.1 until you can buy a VTR/VTS or get one of those engines

Trust me, the difference is minimal and you will be bored of the 1.4 engine fairly quickly

By the way, I have driven (and owned three of them) a 1.1, 1.4, VTR and VTS before any smart arse comments for someone who shall remain nameless

20th March 2011, 21:21

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

If you are going through the ballache of dropping a bigger engine into a 1.1 shell then you need to be looking at VTR/VTS

The 1.4 engine isn't much good imo and yes I have owned one
25bhp extra for all that work of swapping engines?
You will notice a slight difference but it won't be massive and you will be bored after a few weeks and wished you got the VTR/VTS engine instead.

As soon as you declare an engine conversion to your insurer, it's going to put the price up and the difference between a 1.4 and a VTR probably won't be that much.
Either stick with the 1.1 until you can buy a VTR/VTS or get one of those engines

Trust me, the difference is minimal and you will be bored of the 1.4 engine fairly quickly

By the way, I have driven (and owned three of them) a 1.1, 1.4, VTR and VTS before any smart arse comments for someone who shall remain nameless

He's not going to reengine. As per my question about insurance he's just going to save up for a C2. Maybe you missed it "i think I will drive this car for a year or two and then buy c2 vts."

But seriously, do they just put bigger engines in here without uprating the running gear and exhaust etc? You only have to look on this thread to see that they do.

BTW it is actually a 1.0 not a 1.1, but it says that at the top