Saxo induction kit

15th April 2011, 22:28

Not really a problem so i thought i would post it in general chat.

Anyone found that installing a induction kit has slowed there vtr down some what?

Ive fitted a induction kit today on the mk2 sounds really good ( very loud actually ) But at the same time i 99% sure its slowed down the car. Its an open induction kit with piping which the head of the induction sits between the engine and the battery.

Ive bought a long air feed pipe K&n one, so hopefully it will cure it but i dont think it will!

I know enclosed ones are better but still didnt expect it to slow the car down.

Anyone else found this ?

15th April 2011, 22:32

An open filter could end up losing you power as it has nothing to protect it from the heat of the engine.

15th April 2011, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Furio-Gazza

An open filter could end up losing you power as it has nothing to protect it from the heat of the engine.

hmmm yeah i understand that but i thought it would of been like a 50/50 that being cold and hot so i didnt think it would of lost power.

15th April 2011, 22:43

On my MK1 saxo i had just had a Cone i noticed when at traffic lights or not moving for a lil bit the temp gage would go up a tiny tiny bit then stop, and the fans would kick in,
the noise was great but i also noticed it didnt seem as sharpe when i gave it a lil now & then,

but on the new MK2 saxo i have is a BMC and have to say its alot better

15th April 2011, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Furio-Gazza

On my MK1 saxo i had just had a Cone i noticed when at traffic lights or not moving for a lil bit the temp gage would go up a tiny tiny bit then stop, and the fans would kick in,
the noise was great but i also noticed it didnt seem as sharpe when i gave it a lil now & then,

but on the new MK2 saxo i have is a BMC and have to say its alot better

Yeah i see what your saying, You got a lil breather filter to connect to the breather pipe i take it for the bmc?

I will report back once i connect the cold air feed pipe but to be honest i dont think it will cure it

15th April 2011, 22:52

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Originally Posted by ChAdS

Yeah i see what your saying, You got a lil breather filter to connect to the breather pipe i take it for the bmc?

I will report back once i connect the cold air feed pipe but to be honest i dont think it will cure it

I have a Pipercross Oil Breather matey, and on the old MK1 i also had an Oil Breather but cant remember the make it was.

New sax ATM

15th April 2011, 22:55

Tidy mate i also was going to spray my vtr wheels black with lime lip LOL!

I will have a play i do have the piping and also the breather pipe connect into the pipe at the side so i suppose all i will need is the bmc enclosed air filter to bolt onto the existing pipe.

I suppose i could route the cone filter down near the rad???

15th April 2011, 22:58

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Originally Posted by ChAdS

Tidy mate i also was going to spray my vtr wheels black with lime lip LOL!

I will have a play i do have the piping and also the breather pipe connect into the pipe at the side so i suppose all i will need is the bmc enclosed air filter to bolt onto the existing pipe.

You could do matey, or keep the cone what you have on atm and put the original piping back on, then where it cuts off to where the old Box/Filter was it will draw in clean air when driving, its up to you pal,

and VTR wheels have gone, Rallye Steelies on it atm

15th April 2011, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furio-Gazza

You could do matey, or keep the cone what you have on atm and put the original piping back on, then where it cuts off to where the old Box/Filter was it will draw in clean air when driving, its up to you pal,

and VTR wheels have gone, Rallye Steelies on it atm

Yeah nice rims man, Yeah could do the filter is nothing special its quite huge aswell got it from ebay but did say it was for vts and vtr lol....

I will get like a L bend pipe get a coupler and route it near the rad and get a cold air pipe coming from front bumper to filter... I think that would sort it!

15th April 2011, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAdS

Yeah nice rims man, Yeah could do the filter is nothing special its quite huge aswell got it from ebay but did say it was for vts and vtr lol....

I will get like a L bend pipe get a coupler and route it near the rad and get a cold air pipe coming from front bumper to filter... I think that would sort it!

Defo matey

15th April 2011, 23:14

My R has decreased in power quite a lot ever since i put a open coned on mine, sounds wicked but i've now got a custom straight through exhaust which takes over the noise of the filter,
But definitely felt the loss of power but the sound was worth it at the time.

Quick question anyone ..
If i took the open coned off and put the standard airbox back on will i get my power back? If you understand that, or have i permanently damaged the power?
Sorry for the vocabulary, i don't know how to word it.

15th April 2011, 23:16

I just thought aswell, does it matter how far the air has to travel as it will be along way from the throttle body if im re routing it!

15th April 2011, 23:20

It should be like how it was before you put the cone on,
If you swap them back over give the Original air box time to settle back in again, but cos the original takes in more clean air and less heat it will help it more,

15th April 2011, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furio-Gazza

It should be like how it was before you put the cone on,
If you swap them back over give the Original air box time to settle back in again, but cos the original takes in more clean air and less heat it will help it more,

It should ?
I'll whack a thread up tomorrow about this.
Would a cold air feed be better or standard airbox?

15th April 2011, 23:28

More Cold air going into the engine will always make it run better, Was going to say bang a thread up & set the question as like....
What would help bring power back
A Standard Saxo Air Box or a After Market Air Filter Cone with a cold air feed ... well saink like that ahah

15th April 2011, 23:32

Standard airbox
Panel filter
Unplug battery for a few hours
Give the engine some good oil

Other than that, there's not a huge lot more to do

15th April 2011, 23:33

Look at that ay,
Vocabed it for me and anything haha
DickSound Gazza

15th April 2011, 23:35

Also are S airboxs the same as R's?

15th April 2011, 23:36

Ross what would you go for Aftermarket Cone with a cold air feed or a standard airbox?
aint for me as im happy with my BMC, but just fort id ask for your opinion pal

15th April 2011, 23:40

Urmmmmmmm, depends if an exhaust is fitted.

I'd go open filter with cold air feed for noise, but then probably standard airbox with a panel filter and cold air feed if wanting to keep it looking original/insurance friendly.

Negligible power difference in it.

15th April 2011, 23:43

Plus is enjoyable playing around with the air filter setups and cold air positions.

Id just go for whatever you want really, as open filter looks/sounds nice etc.

For ultimate noise go for throttle bodies!

15th April 2011, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Gibbo-Vtr

My R has decreased in power quite a lot ever since i put a open coned on mine, sounds wicked but i've now got a custom straight through exhaust which takes over the noise of the filter,
But definitely felt the loss of power but the sound was worth it at the time.

Quick question anyone ..
If i took the open coned off and put the standard airbox back on will i get my power back? If you understand that, or have i permanently damaged the power?
Sorry for the vocabulary, i don't know how to word it.

You wonthave permanently damaged power. The exhaust might not be helping.

15th April 2011, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibbo-Vtr

Also are S airboxs the same as R's?

I couldn't tell you if theres a diff between a VTR or VTS Airbox (Sorry),

Just seen this on a lads thread on here and think thats quality!

15th April 2011, 23:47

^^^ that's horrible cold air feed tubing!!

You want the tubing as smooth as possible, not all ridged like that!

15th April 2011, 23:49

No worries, I'll check my S when i come back off my jollies.

Also cheers Raunchz, It was like that even before the exhaust was fitted, if anything the exhaust has made it better.

15th April 2011, 23:50

Im not saying i like it or would have it, its just different i guess to what i normaly see and i guess it does the job for him doesn't it

15th April 2011, 23:51

You've got nothing to lose trying out the Vtr standard airbox.

I'd look to reset the Ecu when changing so that it goes back to it's default setting. If the Ecu is anything like my vectra, it 'learns' to how you drive/engine condition etc to make the duelling spot on.

15th April 2011, 23:53

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Originally Posted by Furio-Gazza

Im not saying i like it or would have it, its just different i guess to what i normaly see and i guess it does the job for him doesn't it

Yeh I do agree on doing what works for you.

But he's got an enclosed setup with minimal noise, with then no real performance benefits due to the cold air tubing. So he's sorta got the worst of both worlds.

15th April 2011, 23:56

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Originally Posted by raunchz

Yeh I do agree on doing what works for you.

But he's got an enclosed setup with minimal noise, with then no real performance benefits due to the cold air tubing. So he's sorta got the worst of both worlds.

ahah! Raunchz from the day i joined Sax-P every question i chuck at you i get a good answer back, nice one pal

lol!

15th April 2011, 23:57

Naah .. as it is only a single plug its just going to put the same amount of fuel in whatever the filter, It's only a simple ECU,

This is a very old photo its been tidyed up since.
But this is what it looks like;

I've even put bonnet raisers on it so it let's some off the hot air out but still lags in power.

16th April 2011, 00:02

Gibbo was the Air filter from Halfords by any chance?, cos looks like 1 had once, same size, same colour.....
if so wouldnt recomend one

The one i had for a lil while on my old MK1... sounded ok but felt a slight power loss

16th April 2011, 00:05

Naah mate, even worse than Halfords ..
Was a present from the mrs, Ebay job.
I only put it on because the day after was my first Saxp meet, The Marketon Park meet.
And no i wouldn't recommend them either.

Edit; ye i had a big power loss on mine, it lagged so much it was horrible until i put the exhaust on.
Also if you look carefully i have no breather either ha its just a bit of rubber tube leading from the head all the way down to the bottom of the engine.

16th April 2011, 00:09

Think i paid something like £50 for that at Halfords cos my Airbox had a huge crack down the side of it and made a right rattle when driving,
So just got that as halfords was just up the road from my house and i will never buy anything like that again from that place,

Tools, Bulbs, & just simple stuff from now on aha

16th April 2011, 00:15

Haha think mine cost like £8.
And yes only little bits and bobs from there and that's it.