50MM Apex lowering springs vs standard dampers??

1. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

   #1 27th May 2011, 22:04

   Hi guys,
   
   Ive bought some 50mm apex dampers for a bargain! But i've been told by a very reliable source that my new springs need to be used with shortened dampers as they are not a progressive type, which cannot be used with standard dampers...any input? i cant really afford to buy new dampers so maybe ill sell mine if this is the case
2. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

   #2 27th May 2011, 22:13

   I think I've got Apex on mine mate, they yellow yeah?
   
   If so they were fitted with a new set of standard shockers and seem fine to me mate?
3. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

   #3 27th May 2011, 22:34

   yeah there yellow mate, mmmm interesting
4. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

   #4 27th May 2011, 23:48

   anyone have any ideas?
5. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

   #5 27th May 2011, 23:54

   Should be okay mate dpeending on mileage on your current shocks?
   
   Put em on if your shocks fuck get new ones? Thats what I did on my last car, was on 100k and I as desperate to lower with not much cash, I bought some Jamex springs and fitted them, a few months later the shocks needed changing so I just replaced them with some KYB gas ones and new top mounts, I still didn't regret lowering though
6. II_IFAN_II Regular Poster Joined: May 2010 Caernarfon Posts: 256 1.1 FlatArch, VTR

   #6 27th May 2011, 23:58

   dont use them on standard shocks... Ive just done it and it doestn self centre properly, ive changed one top mount today and wil do th other tomorow, but i really regret not getting the kit
7. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

   #7 28th May 2011, 00:00

   might just put em on and see, apparently the dont sit properly in the struts, ill let you know thanks bud
8. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

   #8 28th May 2011, 00:01

   lol so how do u remedy the problem without using shortended dampers because I cant find any anywhere! might just sell mine and get some others cant really be arsed fecking around!
9. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

   #9 28th May 2011, 00:15

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by II_IFAN_II dont use them on standard shocks... Ive just done it and it doestn self centre properly, ive changed one top mount today and wil do th other tomorow, but i really regret not getting the kit

   What do you mean mate?
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VillicusVTR might just put em on and see, apparently the dont sit properly in the struts, ill let you know thanks bud

   Have you got a VTR mate, i'm not being funny but i'm sure mine are Apex 50mm, they're yellow and are deffo around 50mm or 60mm, I'll double check the make of em tomorrow but they're on standard shocks as far as i'm aware, i've jacked the car up and down a number of times and hvae had no problems whatsoever, and a pretty decent ride as well.
10. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

    #10 28th May 2011, 00:18

    i dont understand what he means...yea mate its a vtr, well i hope there apex springs, i've been looking and to be honest on another thread someone has asked the same thing and they do need shortened dampers..too much detail to explain!
11. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

    #11 28th May 2011, 00:36

    Show me a link mate?
    Maybe mine are something else or I have shortened dampers as I bought mine like it is and so did the previous owner I think, but he said he thought they were standard shocks?
12. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

    #12 28th May 2011, 00:44

    yea mate
    
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Citroen-Sa...#ht_1041wt_794
13. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

    #13 28th May 2011, 00:55

    That doesn't say anything about requiring shortened shocks though?
    
    And also I wouldn't listen to anything in that ad lol, it says springs are included for front and rear, yet since when has a saxo had springs on the rear, and also it says its a 50mm kit, then says "It will usually lower the car by 30-40 mm." :/
14. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

    #14 28th May 2011, 01:01

    lol thats true, ive been researching......There are many kits available to lower up to 60mm on standard struts, any lower than 35mm and shortened uprated shock absorbers must be used. thats on the AlexR suspension guide in the stickes-ah well looks like shortend dampers it is - reading that guide and i realise now what it affects etc
15. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

    #15 28th May 2011, 14:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VillicusVTR lol thats true, ive been researching......There are many kits available to lower up to 60mm on standard struts, any lower than 35mm and shortened uprated shock absorbers must be used. thats on the AlexR suspension guide in the stickes-ah well looks like shortend dampers it is - reading that guide and i realise now what it affects etc

    Ah I see mate, maybe mine has shortened dampers through the standard struts. Really not sure though as the back ones deffo look like standard shocks.

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16. VillicusVTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2010 Oldbury Posts: 1556 Citroen Saxo VTR 1998

    #16 28th May 2011, 15:35

    think i might be able to get some so shud be ok hopefulli, thanks for ur help bud
17. AL3X_ Established Member Joined: May 2010 Posts: 1434

    #17 28th May 2011, 16:27

    No problems mate, sorry if i've confused you.