BE gearbox conversion

1. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

   #1 16th June 2011, 14:11

   What parts are needed and modificafions to do a BE conversion on saxo. Thinking of doing this to mine soon and start getting the parts to do so.
2. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #2 16th June 2011, 14:17

   BE box - ebay, £150
   complete custom shafts - new (from northern racing or atspeed about £650 all in inc cv joints etc)
   correct hubs/flanges to suit shafts
   intermediate bearing carrier - Citroen, £80
   be gearbox mounts - Northern Racing, £150, atspeed, £350
   modified linkages - mod your own or buy some pre done.
   modified clutch cable - £45, Northern Racing.
   (normally) different speedo drive. £70 (ouch) from Citroen.
   
   In July I'll have my shafts available - somewhere around the £500 mark.
   I've got a set of modified linkages you can have for £25.
   Re gearbox itself, you want a picasso 1.6 petrol box.
   You'll need early type (flat) hubs/flanges on your car. Change them if you haven't already got these.

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3. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

   #3 16th June 2011, 14:25

   I was thinking of making the shafts smaller by cutting them down and rewelding them but maybe bore them out and fit a bar into the bored ends before rewelding for extra strenght.
4. user_26132 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Notts Posts: 917 Saxo VTS

   #4 16th June 2011, 20:30

   Ross are your shafts home-made welded jobbies or are they the atspeed style ones?
   
   Im very interested
5. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #5 16th June 2011, 22:27

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by OllieVTS Ross are your shafts home-made welded jobbies or are they the atspeed style ones? Im very interested

   We supplied Atspeed with shafts last year they are the same ones yep - not welded
6. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

   #6 19th June 2011, 07:01

   Does anyone know what is needed to make the standard shafts fit (length wise). Is it just being made shorter? And by how much?
7. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

   #7 19th June 2011, 08:30

   there is a thread on here somewhere i think by tweeqd explaining what needs to be done

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8. Steffrallye Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Bodelwyddan , N.Wales Posts: 1252 Peugeot S2 106 GTi 1.6 16v

   #8 19th June 2011, 08:38

   also need to relocate the power steering or remove.
   
   Also ross, whats the price on the complete ready to fit shafts alone, already done the hubs, carrier etc
9. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

   #9 19th June 2011, 11:37

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Steffrallye also need to relocate the power steering or remove.

   Good catch - forgot about that.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Steffrallye Also ross, whats the price on the complete ready to fit shafts alone, already done the hubs, carrier etc

   Think they work out at about £650 all up - mine will be for sale in July for about £550 ish (just as soon as we get back from Germany).
   
   Best person to speak to if you're after a new set is Titch308. If you want mine (They'll have a max of 2,000 miles on them by then) shout and we'll sort something out.
10. Steffrallye Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Bodelwyddan , N.Wales Posts: 1252 Peugeot S2 106 GTi 1.6 16v

    #10 19th June 2011, 11:47

    why the sell? and i may be in contact soon then.
11. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #11 19th June 2011, 13:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steffrallye why the sell? and i may be in contact soon then.

    We're trying a prototype setup we're developing on my car thats all. Nothing sinister!
12. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #12 19th June 2011, 13:57

    Ross, would theyre be any chance of finding out the lenghts of the driveshafts?
    
    Im guessing to make the standdard BE ones to fit saxo/106 would be on drivers side to take the lenght from the part which sits behind the engine before the cv joint?
13. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #13 19th June 2011, 13:58

    edit - here is that thread mate http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=349761
    
    but having read this it looks like the miltek manifold fouls the be box when fitted - ma it is for me then
14. Steffrallye Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Bodelwyddan , N.Wales Posts: 1252 Peugeot S2 106 GTi 1.6 16v

    #14 19th June 2011, 20:56

    it shouldnt do? takes no more space near the mani than a MA,
    
    Ross - Would i be interested in the "in the making" shafts?
15. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #15 19th June 2011, 22:09

    will be interesting to see if it does? will have to find somebody using it and ask for some measurements then compare to standard
16. Steffrallye Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Bodelwyddan , N.Wales Posts: 1252 Peugeot S2 106 GTi 1.6 16v

    #16 19th June 2011, 22:37

    If you take a good birds eye picture of the mani with slighly engine and gearbox in there, ill have a look for ya
17. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #17 19th June 2011, 22:40

    will do it when i get the car haha
    
    or ill see if i can find a pic online somewhere
18. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #18 19th June 2011, 22:53

    Few pics i found quickly
    
    
    
    
    
    
19. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #19 19th June 2011, 23:06

    depending on the turbo you use you might just get away with it
    you might have to cut off the lugs on the box that mount the slave cyl
    
    you can see them under my turbo here
    
    
    better pic here on a 16v lump
    
20. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #20 19th June 2011, 23:09

    ahh yeah i see, these lugs are not in use as not running a slave cylinder, so that few inches may help, will have to get hold of a be box and try it i suppose, only way, or get some measuremets
21. Steffrallye Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 Bodelwyddan , N.Wales Posts: 1252 Peugeot S2 106 GTi 1.6 16v

    #21 19th June 2011, 23:10

    Ah yer forget you use viagra, yer as above just remove some of the casing to make the room, its ony larger due to the clutch cyclinder mounts and you dont need these. And Dean/Colin seem to do ok with there massive setup.
22. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #22 19th June 2011, 23:10

    ill get some better pics and measurement on mine tomorrow when i get back from janspeed
23. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #23 19th June 2011, 23:13

    thanks martin, much appreciated
24. tweeqd Established Member Joined: Mar 2006 Farnham Surrey Posts: 1542 AX GT 16v turbo 6 speed with NOS 205 gti6 E 320

    #24 20th June 2011, 23:08

    pics for reference on the lugs (im going to be cutting them off so i can move the turbo over away from the alternator)
    
    
    
    
25. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #25 20th June 2011, 23:13

    thats great thanks so you basically have about 4 inches of be box infront of the block, and you can grind away just under 2 inches of slave cylinder fixings by the looks, it all helps, will have to have a measure when i get mine
    
    many thanks martin - very helpful!!
26. xsi16v Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2006 Ilkeston, Derbyshire Posts: 469 374 bhp Supercharged 205 GTI, Passat Estate

    #26 25th June 2011, 09:08

    Ive trimmed all the lugs off mine, doesn't take up anymore room the a MA now.

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27. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

    #27 25th June 2011, 09:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by xsi16v Ive trimmed all the lugs off mine, doesn't take up anymore room the a MA now.

    thanks
28. user_39461 Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2009 Cambridge(ish), UK. Posts: 10581 BMW 5x M50d.

    #28 25th June 2011, 12:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steffrallye Ah yer forget you use viagra, yer as above just remove some of the casing to make the room, its ony larger due to the clutch cyclinder mounts and you dont need these. And Dean/Colin seem to do ok with there massive setup.

    You don't need them as you say - once you go to a big clutch you're running hydraulic anyway:
    
    As you can see, my mount we've made in a way that doesn't use those mounts a it's a pull type so cut them off if you're limited on space
29. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #29 23rd July 2011, 10:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RossDagley You don't need them as you say - once you go to a big clutch you're running hydraulic anyway: As you can see, my mount we've made in a way that doesn't use those mounts a it's a pull type so cut them off if you're limited on space

    Ross, how much work is it to run hydrolic clutch setup?