slidey saxo at round abouts ? is this normal

1. SAXO8VYO Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 Devizes Posts: 836 Saxo furio - X312HBK Peugeot 206GTI -J44KBX

   #1 9th July 2011, 13:33

   so basicly i don know if this is normal as ive only been driving a week but i know the back end can get a bit twitchy but last night i went into a mini round about and it had sort of a camber in the road around it and it was quite wet but i was only going 15/20mph on entering it but about 1/2 round it my back end swung left and i went to correct it then it swung right then i corrected it ending up down the exit i wanted but nearly smashing into a lamp post which rather shit me up . so just wondering if saxos/106's are really this bad in the wet when there is quite a bit of camber in the road and poor road surface
2. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

   #2 9th July 2011, 13:46

   if your car is standard height, then the back end is rather twitchy.
3. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

   #3 9th July 2011, 13:52

   Bear in mind that if it's just honked it down after a long dry period the roads will be greasy as fook. I was out in mine today and I could provoke understeer and oversteer round roundabouts if I wanted (or not being careful).
   
   They aren't normally too twitchy unless the trailing arm bearings are dead or the tires are bald. Did you put a wheel on the mini roundabout (i.e. painted on one)?
4. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

   #4 9th July 2011, 14:00

   they aren't usually too bad in my opinion.. you probably just drove over a slippy bit on the roundabout
5. SAXO8VYO Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2010 Devizes Posts: 836 Saxo furio - X312HBK Peugeot 206GTI -J44KBX

   #5 9th July 2011, 14:13

   yeah my furio is lowered like 10mm by the pervious owner dont ask me why only 10mm ha but yeah near enough standard hight and yeah it had been raining for around 20mins before and nope didnt drive over the painted hump or the little kurb around the edge and i think it was like said above about it being greasey on the road and the camber in the road around the round about was like a caracel at the ring lol just gunna be very carefull when it comes to small round abouts when its wet
6. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #6 9th July 2011, 14:17

   Check the rear beam.
7. dave_1 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 llwyngwril Posts: 2698 saxo vts, Landrover td5, 16 tonne skyline

   #7 9th July 2011, 14:18

   Most round abouts when wet will be slippy, all the oil and diesel will come to the surface after rain as well as cornering hard and left into right will have thrown the weight around. If you had crap tyres on the front you usually just carry straight on
8. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

   #8 9th July 2011, 20:54

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by dave_1 Most round abouts when wet will be slippy, all the oil and diesel will come to the surface after rain as well as cornering hard and left into right will have thrown the weight around. If you had crap tyres on the front you usually just carry straight on

   Yup, ones near industrial estates are the worst! Some of the ones in Bristol are horrible! Mine slithered all over earlier today and I don't have crappy tyres on! I had a slightly naughty play on a deserted one and I was steering with the throttle it was that bad!
9. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

   #9 10th July 2011, 10:24

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mechsman Yup, ones near industrial estates are the worst! Some of the ones in Bristol are horrible! Mine slithered all over earlier today and I don't have crappy tyres on! I had a slightly naughty play on a deserted one and I was steering with the throttle it was that bad!

   theres a few around here that are that bad. knackered drop links just exaggerate the situation
10. user_51685 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2011 newcastle Posts: 484 saxo furio

    #10 5th September 2011, 17:24

    yeah its just saxos i span mine acouple times, u gust have to lern how to drive them the proper way oh and get it lowwerd, not only dose it make it look 100x better its better for ur handling
11. f13sta Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 loughborough Posts: 2229 1988 ford fiesta mk2 1.4- 2001 black saxo furio (d

    #11 6th September 2011, 19:08

    yeh they are treeible in the wet particually on that gravel/tarmac mix on the rad thats fooking dangeous .
    
    i don't have any confidence to take even normal corners at the same speed as my mk2 fezzy when i'm in the sax
12. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #12 6th September 2011, 19:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vinnie_long yeah its just saxos i span mine acouple times, u gust have to lern how to drive them the proper way oh and get it lowwerd, not only dose it make it look 100x better its better for ur handling

    lol ....
13. opee Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 oswestry Posts: 108 two tone vts

    #13 6th September 2011, 20:57

    have you got ditchfinders on the back?
14. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #14 6th September 2011, 21:10

    Happened to me today at a junction by a petrol station,I braked turned right & the back end swung round,my introduction to rally driving lol.
15. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

    #15 6th September 2011, 21:10

    Mine can be made to do it in the wet even with fairly good tyres on all 4.
16. Manu Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned

    #16 7th September 2011, 10:52

    put some proper tyres on it.

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17. Mini-valver Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 343

    #17 7th September 2011, 15:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vinnie_long yeah its just saxos i span mine acouple times, u gust have to lern how to drive them the proper way oh and get it lowwerd, not only dose it make it look 100x better its better for ur handling

    
    Jesus christ. Learn to drive a 75hp FWD road car properly, have you ever heard anything like it in your life. Dont lift

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18. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #18 7th September 2011, 15:57

    & apparently lowering make it handle better.
19. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #19 7th September 2011, 15:57

    Double post excitment.
20. wicked-vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 2608 200sx s14a mark 1 vts

    #20 7th September 2011, 16:08

    Only time I've ever spun either of my saxos was on black ice in the vtr a few weeks after getting my licence. You must all have dodgy cars or can't drive for shit
21. Mini-valver Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 343

    #21 7th September 2011, 17:02

    You gust have to lern to drive them the proper way.
    
    
    
    
    Apparently.
22. dave_1 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2010 llwyngwril Posts: 2698 saxo vts, Landrover td5, 16 tonne skyline

    #22 7th September 2011, 19:18

    This is getting funny now think it should be moved to general chat
23. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

    #23 7th September 2011, 19:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Manu put some proper tyres on it.

    This aimed at me? If so, it's got fairly good ones on it.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wicked-vtr Only time I've ever spun either of my saxos was on black ice in the vtr a few weeks after getting my licence. You must all have dodgy cars or can't drive for shit

    Mine only does it if I purposely provoke it. Normally just understeers in the wet and even then you can feel it starting to go. Touch wood I've only had 1 hairy moment in the sax and that was when I hit a load of standing water that was a lot deeper than it looked. Hitting it only with one side created a bit of a tank slapper moment that peterred out after about 2 swings.
24. f13sta Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 loughborough Posts: 2229 1988 ford fiesta mk2 1.4- 2001 black saxo furio (d

    #24 7th September 2011, 19:40

    wait till it snows again and you on a nice open car park with no-one else on it and you rip that handbrake to get the back end out these saxo's are sooooo easy when you do that like its in slow motion, ahhhhhhh memories not that i'm telling anyone to do that lol
    
    god i need RWD in my life lol.
    
    anyway if you car starts to understeer or over steer in the wet then your not driving to the road conditions.
25. user_36974 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Manchester Posts: 570 Mercury Grey VT?

    #25 7th September 2011, 20:50

    saxos can be twitchy.. same with most cars depending on how there driven bearing in mind road and weather conditions, depends if its lowered, different wheels fitted with low pro tyres ect... lower profile tyres and stiff suspension = alot thinner line between it gripping and letting go as theres no tyre flex/bodyroll. sometimes can just be greasy roads/sh*t surfaces in general
26. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

    #26 7th September 2011, 20:58

    Have you checked tyre pressures?
    
    What brand of rubber is fitted??
27. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #27 8th September 2011, 21:42

    seriously? even in the wet and greasy you can feel when understeer and oversteer are coming into play and its easy to correct, as you said you have just passed your test, so dont think that makes you a pro rally driver or drift king (yeahhh NFS)
    
    also put your back seats back in kids, used to be the cool thing to do, and iirc the less weight at the rear helps provoke more oversteer.
    
    its a fwd car too, not what you want to be 'drifting' around in on a busy round about - ive already been messed around by some slut that couldnt drive in the road conditions that led to my saxo now being off the road. you shouldnt have to put your foot down when you are in full lock!!