temp dial and fan not working

1. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #1 12th July 2011, 12:05

   i have recently put a mk1 vtr engine in my mk2 furio witha crossover loom from a w reg vtr
   the engine starts fine no idle problems or anything
   i have a rattle from gearbox when clutch is released (think its the bearing )
   
   
   but anyway i got a vts rad and a vtr fan from mk2 saxos
   the wiring for the fan is from my furio engine as i thort it would be the same but i have a plug left thats not going anwere and cant find a plug for it
   and there is a plug on the radiator that doesnt have a plug for it either
   
   is this because i have a mk1 engine and need different fan wiring or another problem but my guess is that is the plugs that are not connected that is the problem but dont know what to do next
   
   sorry for long read
   thanks if you can help me sort this
2. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #2 12th July 2011, 14:43

   now with pics of plugs unused at moment
   my guess is that they plug togeather but because of different looms they are different plugs
   am i right in thinking this or not. all help welcomed
   
   
3. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #3 12th July 2011, 15:13

   
4. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #4 12th July 2011, 17:42

   anybody help me please
5. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #5 12th July 2011, 21:02

   any one know anything is the brown plug with 3 wires in it go to radiator or does it go else were i need to know as soon as possible guys
6. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #6 13th July 2011, 11:12

   can anyone help today please
7. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #7 13th July 2011, 23:22

   cum on guys i really need help with this
8. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

   #8 14th July 2011, 09:48

   is no one seriously willing help me
   
   the brown plug comes from the fan wiring
   and the ble one is on the radiator
   i cant find anything to plug into these and need help from someone who knows about it
   
   if thats not too much to ask on a saxo forum
9. Olly Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Meerkat Harborough Posts: 2638 Saxo vtr mk 2

   #9 14th July 2011, 16:08

   No idea on the plug that looks like the coilpack plug.. Maybe it plugs into the car loom somewhere... Why cant you use the vtr fan?
   
   And thats a mk1 radiator, it doesnt matter, its just the sensor isnt used on the mk 2 ist done off a different temp sensor. So thereis no plug thstll fit into the rad.
   Do you have both coolant temp sensors plugged in? Is that the only plug coming from fan loom, should be a plug, an earth and a power feed from fusebox... (clips in underneath)
10. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #10 15th July 2011, 11:07

    on the fan loom it plugs into fuse box a blue wire (underneath) and goes to relay and then to fan and im left with this plug
    
    i got told the rad was mk2 but clearly not and do you know were the temp sensors are on the engine then so i can check that plug (it is a mk1 engine running a crossover loom) if that makes a difference at all
11. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #11 18th July 2011, 22:49

    does anyone what fan and wiring the 2000 w reg saxo uses as i think thats my problem
12. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #12 18th July 2011, 23:07

    The blue 3 pin is a thermostat switch, for controlling the fan. Since youve swapped rads its not clear if you actually need this or not.
    
    Post up what ecu you had originally, and what you've swapped to.
13. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #13 18th July 2011, 23:16

    i have a x reg 2000 furio (3 plug) and put a 1999 vtr(single plug) engine in on crossover loom from a 2000 w.reg vtr kept the standard fan loom as it was mk2 fan set up and still got the mk2 fan on but left with the plug left pictured and i had a lebal saying but cant remember were it went now and cant find any were for it
    so wat do i need to do to get it working again
14. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #14 18th July 2011, 23:20

    the 3 plug and the single plug crossover have the same connector but different pinout so that could be why some stuff isnt working.
    
    Since you havent put up the ecu code im guessing here but on the 3 plug loom your fan was probably controlled by the engine ecu. On the vtr ecu (mp7.2?) theres no option to do this.
    
    You want to wire pins 1+3 as a switch for a relay, then use it to power the fan directly.
15. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #15 18th July 2011, 23:25

    so i wired the ecu to fan would make it come on when its needed or i can get pics of ecu for codes if it helps tomoz as its dark now
16. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #16 18th July 2011, 23:29

    the mp7.2 does not support fan control, so no you cant wire it to that!
17. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #17 18th July 2011, 23:58

    im confused to wat u mean to do sorry
18. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #18 19th July 2011, 22:09

    does anyone know how i can get it sorted i am getting desperate to run it longer to see if i have anymore problems
19. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #19 19th July 2011, 22:22

    If you wanna bring it to warrington ill wire it in, should be fine down the m62 you wont need the fans!
20. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #20 19th July 2011, 22:29

    its not road worthy mate it needs new ball joints and drop links
    thats what i mean if i could get someone to tell me what exactly i need to do i will be able to do it myself just dont know were to start from scratch with it if you know what i mean
    i know the temp semsor on rad isnt needed by what i ave read and you told me
    but why is temp dial not working still (maybe sensor but were is it)
21. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #21 19th July 2011, 22:38

    its the blue one in the thermostat housing on the engine, make sure it has 2 pins. If its only got one its out of a base spec and has no feed for a gauge.. just a warning light.
    
    If your ecu is a bosch mp7.2 the blue thermostat switch IS required.
22. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #22 19th July 2011, 22:38

    its the blue one in the thermostat housing on the engine, make sure it has 2 pins. If its only got one its out of a base spec and has no feed for a gauge.. just a warning light.
    
    If your ecu is a bosch mp7.2 the blue thermostat switch IS required.
23. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #23 19th July 2011, 22:43

    were wil i find this mp7.2
    the engine was claimed to a 2000 but on the loom it said 1999 on a sticker so im guessing its a 1999 engine which does require the blue sensor if im correct
    and if im correct in this i need to wire the rad to ecu like you previously said
    but i dont understand were the fan wires go to so it know when to come on
    
    sorry if its getting complicated
24. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

    #24 20th July 2011, 17:50

    youve still got it wrong, on the 3 plug the fan was controlled by the ecu. On the single plug it was controlled by the blue switch on the radiator, and was not wired to the ecu in any way atall.
25. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #25 21st July 2011, 23:09

    i am getting more confused as the days go by haha
    
    its a 1999 engine so i imagine its controlled by the blue switch as you say
    so do i wire the plug left from fan wiring to the blue plug on rad would that work
    
    or am i better off getting a mk1 fan and wiring would i be able to sort it that way
    
    how did the w reg 2000 run its fan as that is what loom i have on the engine at the moment. it all runs fine but the temp dial and fan
    
    how long does it roughly take for fan to kick in
26. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #26 22nd July 2011, 15:07

    love the way only one person in like 125 actually willing to help me
    someone else must know what is needed
    
    its a x reg furio with a 1999 vtr engine withe w reg engine loom
    so it is basically a w reg saxo vtr
    so what fan does the w reg vtr run
    was it the mk2 fan or the mk1 fan
    
    i need some help on this people please
27. carlsmith715 Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 manchester Posts: 2099 2000 1.6 furio

    #27 24th July 2011, 10:44

    200 veiws nearly and only one person actualy trying to help me. nobody got a w reg saxo or know about the fans. Please i need to know the above