How to boost speed...

1. harrisvtrkid1 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 300 Own a 01' plate vtr

   #1 6th July 2006, 23:15

   What other mods are avalible to boost gains
   
   I was looking into spending money on making it quicker and was wondering what the possibilities are...
   
   Appart from the ultimate like superchargers and turbos.. what else is avalible??
   
   Can you help me on this any suggestions and possible gains also..
   
   :Y:
2. ChrisJ Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2005 Widnes United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3517 Saxo furio

   #2 6th July 2006, 23:30

   Full s/s exhaust system
   De-cat
   Enclosed air filter
   4-2-1 manifold (gmc etc.)
   Cams
   Remap ecu
   Throttle bodies
3. beastgtir Established Member Joined: Apr 2006 birmingham Posts: 2178 Soon to be another Honda!

   #3 6th July 2006, 23:31

   nitrous oxide
4. landy Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 south elmsall Posts: 5147 cammed vtr

   #4 6th July 2006, 23:34

   buy a better car
5. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

   #5 6th July 2006, 23:55

   Losing weight off the car is a good place to start. Strip the rear out.
6. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #6 6th July 2006, 23:56

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Dan Losing weight off the car is a good place to start. Strip the rear out.

   correct me if I'm wrong, that would increase acceleration rather than boost top speed surely?
7. Dan Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2003 Middlesbrough United Kingdom (England) Posts: 23676 Seat Leon FR

   #7 7th July 2006, 00:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by adsayer correct me if I'm wrong, that would increase acceleration rather than boost top speed surely?

   
   No mention of top end in the thread he just said speed which I assume he means acceleration.
8. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #8 7th July 2006, 00:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Dan No mention of top end in the thread he just said speed which I assume he means acceleration.

   yup, sorry, i re-read the original post.
   my bad
9. harrisvtrkid1 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 300 Own a 01' plate vtr

   #9 7th July 2006, 00:14

   All the time mate... its all about the acceleration... the rush of going quik!!
10. harrisvtrkid1 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 300 Own a 01' plate vtr

    #10 7th July 2006, 00:17

    So i need to gain... nuva 60brake (wishfulk thinkin.) so i can keep it insured the same...but be flying
11. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #11 7th July 2006, 00:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1 So i need to gain... nuva 60brake (wishfulk thinkin.) so i can keep it insured the same...but be flying

    Wishful thinking indeed mate.
    
    Any serious performance mod you'll have to declare and accept the increase in premium. I think some insurance companies like to be told about induction kits too
12. harrisvtrkid1 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 300 Own a 01' plate vtr

    #12 7th July 2006, 00:24

    In reality i will... Just tryin to gather some ideas...
    
    so keep them floodin in
13. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

    #13 7th July 2006, 00:28

    Smaller alloys (less weight), thus less intertia
    Small tyre profile too, reduces the rolling radius so you generate more torque at the wheels
    106 rallye/1.1 Gearbox
    Lightened flywheel
    Remove everything useless
14. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #14 7th July 2006, 00:53

    limited slip
15. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #15 7th July 2006, 01:01

    vts engine
    strip out
    bigger breaks
    decent suspension set up
    enclosed filter
    4-2-1 manifold
    de cat
    exhaust
    cams headwork
    re map
    
    
    thats about it without turbo/supercharge/throttlebodies
16. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #16 7th July 2006, 08:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr vts engine strip out bigger breaks decent suspension set up enclosed filter 4-2-1 manifold de cat exhaust cams headwork re map thats about it without turbo/supercharge/throttlebodies

    could always stick nirtrous on, thats what I did
17. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #17 7th July 2006, 08:53

    did you watch top gear where tehy stripped off everything of motor, lights, interior, basicly every thing not used, they timed it before and after and to be honest it didnt really make that much difference something like 0.2 quicker and that was for removing everything so i wouldnt bother removing your rear seats
18. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

    #18 7th July 2006, 09:07

    0.2 quicker is the difference between a 14. second quarter and a 13. second quarter or 0.2 seconds quicker than someone else per lap makes a huge difference.
19. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

    #19 7th July 2006, 09:38

    lighten & balence the fly wheel - stroker kit form GMC! - wild cams 285 bad boys! keep 14s but on lower profile tyre - quafe gearbox with custom ratios - head work - full exhaust including manifold no cat or sports one & air fiter - Nos - 2 engines - throttle bodies - bigger injectors - that should see a lil improvment in no order tho.... dont forget stickers from halfords! LOL
20. Imfromwales Established Member Joined: Jun 2006 Durham - NOT WALES!! Posts: 1952 Saxo SX 1.1

    #20 7th July 2006, 10:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1 What other mods are avalible to boost gains

    what other mods? have you said any mods?
21. saxoash Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2005 East Yorkshire United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6169 VTR

    #21 7th July 2006, 10:39

    Supercharge/turbocharge
    Enclosed induction kit
    A lot of money
    Re-map
    Cams
    Head work
22. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #22 7th July 2006, 10:41

    nitrous is cheating as its not on all the time
23. YM03 Established Member Joined: May 2006 north east Posts: 1487 vtr mk2, posi blue

    #23 7th July 2006, 11:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hesslevtr nitrous is cheating as its not on all the time

    but it's all good fun tho, its like a little back up he he
24. gotamintvtr Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 essex near romford Posts: 774 a mk1 grey saxo vtr on throttle bodies mk6 faceli

    #24 7th July 2006, 11:32

    go for enclosed induction kit, full ss exhaust with decat
    and a 421 manifold. then get yourself some cams and a remap. but before most of that you should invest in a better braking system ie. a 306gti6 front setup will help alot. no point having the peed if you cant stop it
25. spencer_cammedvts Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2005 MEASHAM United Kingdom (England) Posts: 3445 257bhp Ibiza Cupra Turbo

    #25 7th July 2006, 13:12

    lightening the flywheel loses you torque! and thats what you want for accelleration.
    
    aswell as all mentoned:
    
    skim the head for compression and lightened/balenced conrods
26. stevenet15 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 aylesbury buckinghamshire Posts: 4822 Astra Turbo, saxo vts, punto turbo

    #26 7th July 2006, 14:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Scott 0.2 quicker is the difference between a 14. second quarter and a 13. second quarter or 0.2 seconds quicker than someone else per lap makes a huge difference.

    
    lol but its not practical, i mean they stripped everything, headlights, complete interior including dash, removed rear lights, bumpers, carpet, radio, heater system, all that for .2 of a sec so i wouldnt even bother takign jsut ya rear seats out wont make much difference at all
27. Reef Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Birmingham Posts: 2524 Leon Cupra 20V 1.8T Lancer Evo III

    #27 7th July 2006, 15:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1 What other mods are avalible to boost gains I was looking into spending money on making it quicker and was wondering what the possibilities are... Appart from the ultimate like superchargers and turbos.. what else is avalible?? Can you help me on this any suggestions and possible gains also.. :Y:

    buy a honda civic vti ..........
28. badboyben88 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2006 High Wycombe United Kingdom (England) Posts: 629 Citroen Saxo VTR White Powerflow Quad Exhaust De Cat Performance Filter Qucik Shift 15" OZ R

    #28 7th July 2006, 15:26

    save your money mate and get a better car (VTS, 206 GTI)
29. Reef Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2005 Birmingham Posts: 2524 Leon Cupra 20V 1.8T Lancer Evo III

    #29 7th July 2006, 15:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by badboyben88 save your money mate and get a better car (VTS, 206 GTI)

    better ? vts ? 206gti ? the civic would cream both of them and then some.
30. Scottp Administrator Joined: Dec 2002 Glasgow United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 26097 Chelski Traktor

    #30 7th July 2006, 15:29

    Not talking about civics or other cars though
31. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #31 7th July 2006, 16:17

    was this test on stripping everything out on a vts.
32. gotamintvtr Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2006 essex near romford Posts: 774 a mk1 grey saxo vtr on throttle bodies mk6 faceli

    #32 7th July 2006, 16:27

    just do what you want too do. if you dont want to buy a vts and want too surprise people with a quick vtr like i want to but im going to vts engine it if i do it. then go for it. but if you want people to know you have a fairly quick car then get a vts. and get a 182 if you want to be quicker but no a 206gti
33. hesslevtr Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2004 Hull (England) Posts: 18709 1.6 vtr

    #33 7th July 2006, 16:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bullit was this test on stripping everything out on a vts.

    no was an old jag
34. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #34 8th July 2006, 08:45

    its all on the circumstance. 1.1 your not gonna bother, the gains are gonna be tiny, but a tuned vts with 100kg taken out of it is a different matter
35. blackvts Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2005 Carlisle United Kingdom (England) Posts: 260 Saxo VTS 1.6 16v

    #35 8th July 2006, 14:56

    brakes and suspension are a must mate if your going for big power, no point in having a fast hot-hatch if you can't control it. you might end up in a field.
36. harrisvtrkid1 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 300 Own a 01' plate vtr

    #36 9th July 2006, 18:47

    Yeah... its easy to say buy a vts or new car..
    
    I just want to keep the vtr and mod it.. I will sort the suspension and brakes as 'safety first'..
    
    I just wanted to know if the possible mods, costs, and gains
    
    How much would it cost to get a lot of power
37. S34MER East Midlands Joined: Jun 2006 Derby Posts: 8305 Skoda Fabia VRS

    #37 10th July 2006, 09:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harrisvtrkid1 Appart from the ultimate like superchargers and turbos.. what else is avalible??

    In case u didn't see it mr IMFROMWALES :thumbup:
38. CLERKY Newbie Joined: Jul 2006 llanelli wales Posts: 16 citroen saxo vts

    #38 10th July 2006, 17:04

    TO MAKE YOUR CAR FASTER BUT WITHOUT THE BURDEN ON YOUR POCKET I FOUND ON ALL OF MY CARS THE CHEAPEST WAY IS TO HAVE THE HEAD SKIMMED, TAKE OFF AROUND 45THOW. THIS CAN BE DONE AT ANY ENGINEERING FACTORY FOR UNDER £30 THIS INCREASES THE COMPRESSION GIVING A LARGER EXPLOSION IN THE PISTON CYLINDER.(for this price you have to take off and put back the head and gasket set and timing belt etc) SECONDLY GET A DECENT AIR FILTER SET UP, THERES NO POINT HAVING ANY MODS IF YOUR CAR CANT BREATH, TO MAKE BIG FIRE IN THOSE PISTONS YOU NEED BIG OXYGEN, AND ALONG WITH THAT YOU NEED A FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR( MANUALY YOU CAN SET IT TO FORCE IN MORE FUEL). ONLY NOW WILL YOU NEED A DECAT PIPE AS THERE WILL BE A LOT OF BURNT FUEL GASES NEEDING TO GET THERE ARSES OUT OF THERE IN THE SHORTEST POSSIBLE TIME.
39. bullit Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2005 e-hollywood Posts: 17160 toyata hilux

    #39 10th July 2006, 20:30

    filter 150
    manifold 300
    exhaust 300
    decat 60
    cam kit 300
    head 400
    remap 450
    there average prices and will give your car vts pace
    thats why youll get just drop a vts engine because its more cost effective but its upto you at the end of the day. i could of had a 182 or type r but i chose to mod my vts. hope that helps