To satchshift or not to satchshift?

1. Mathias Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2008 Pembrokeshire Posts: 5598

   #1 7th September 2011, 21:55

   Only other purchase I'm looking at before building the car back up before a few track days is whether to buy and fit a satchshift or not....
   
   Either I do and fit it
   
   Or I buy a normal quick shift and new alloy linkages
   
   Not sure what to do? Undoubtedly if I don't go for one I probably will down the line so may aswell do now..... Has anyone got any actual on track reviews of these?
2. user_39740 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 near manchester Posts: 1190 vtr'd FURIO....

   #2 7th September 2011, 23:02

   im also looking into this also , ive got the gmc quickshift and kamracing gear linkage set however there is still alot of play .
3. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

   #3 9th September 2011, 16:23

   I suspect the problem is on the gearbox itself --top gear box arm has a roll pin which wears, so if you move the lever on the box and feel the shaft in the centre it will be sloppy --hit it with the mig welder --you never need to remove this arm even for a rebuild
4. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

   #4 9th September 2011, 17:28

   used myn at cadwell park open pitting day.... was the nuts tbh, my mat also drove the car on track and has a vtr as a daily with guick shifter so he was best person to compare them... onli thinking he said was epic, i think its the lenth aswell makes it reali nice, as your hardly off the wheel to change gear then back on to have full grip,
   
   just get one bought lol
5. user_26132 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 Notts Posts: 917 Saxo VTS

   #5 9th September 2011, 17:59

   Im buying one of these fo sho!
   
   using the B&M at the moment and thats pretty nice and tight. But for when i start trackdays its just got to be done..
   
   Did i read theres one for us with BE gearbox conversions?
6. user_39740 Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 near manchester Posts: 1190 vtr'd FURIO....

   #6 9th September 2011, 18:25

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by OllieVTS Im buying one of these fo sho! using the B&M at the moment and thats pretty nice and tight. But for when i start trackdays its just got to be done.. Did i read theres one for us with BE gearbox conversions?

   yes they do them on kam racing
7. Tufty Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Watford Posts: 2033 Black Furio, Amazon Green VT-S Road Beast

   #7 10th September 2011, 11:51

   Going to add some input into this and also back up johns point stated in another post.
   
   Friend of mine got a kit... fitted it to an S1 diffed rallye box (fully rebuilt)... 1300 miles later box is being rebuilt because of the sync rings are gone. First i have heard of this happening... but if it does happen you do not want to be stripping boxes for rebuilds for the sake of a few seconds a lap in none competition....
8. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #8 10th September 2011, 12:27

   we've only had good feedback from the Satchshift
9. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

   #9 10th September 2011, 12:39

   Yer have heard a few gear box with these fitted that they are harder on the syhrco rings.
   
   Not saying it bad, but have heard a few cases now, but that could be down to driving style.
   
   But remembering these are not design for a daily car, just aim at motorsport track driving.
   
   I might get one but not on my must list at the moment.
10. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #10 10th September 2011, 13:41

    People do the same with any 'quickshift'; slamming the car into gear as fast as possible.
    As long as you understand you do not have a sequential or lug drive gearbox you will be fine. These kits give a shorter movement but you still have to allow time for the parts to engage correctly. Really the naming is a bad thing as the mechanically naive do not understand the implications.

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11. Tufty Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Watford Posts: 2033 Black Furio, Amazon Green VT-S Road Beast

    #11 11th September 2011, 00:09

    This is very true. But to be honest, i used to smash the hell out of my old S gearbox for a good 3000 miles and nothing went! He had done under half that in his satchshift.
    
    Jason
12. solvi Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 lisboa Posts: 308 saxo 1600 cup trackday. vw golf iv 150cv. benz

    #12 18th March 2012, 21:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing we've only had good feedback from the Satchshift

    firt time view one monted in a 106..and ask the owner how it has
    
    its a very light ma 13x59 track only 106 ...and pilot has very happy whith the sctatshift thing..he almost convinced me.
13. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #13 18th March 2012, 21:46

    I'd definitely recommend a satshift for a track car, I'm not sure if you would want one for a daily driver though
14. solvi Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2010 lisboa Posts: 308 saxo 1600 cup trackday. vw golf iv 150cv. benz

    #14 18th March 2012, 22:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo I'd definitely recommend a satshift for a track car, I'm not sure if you would want one for a daily driver though

    i dont how buil this but mr" COLINS" as reputacion even on portuguesse tracks!!!
15. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #15 19th March 2012, 10:48

    We ship more to Europe than we sell in the UK so its no surprise. Probably our customers
16. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #16 19th March 2012, 11:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo I'd definitely recommend a satshift for a track car, I'm not sure if you would want one for a daily driver though

    Why would you not want one for everyday?
    
    Been looking at getting one for BE although when cars boosted with BE fitted it wont be used everyday like it is now but i hate the standard shifter setup, just floppy and not very precise gearchanges.
17. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #17 19th March 2012, 12:56

    I personally wouldn't want to use one on a daily basis, let alone cut the chassis of a daily driver. On a track car / weekend car is a different story, they are epic
18. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #18 19th March 2012, 13:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsdvtr Why would you not want one for everyday? Been looking at getting one for BE although when cars boosted with BE fitted it wont be used everyday like it is now but i hate the standard shifter setup, just floppy and not very precise gearchanges.

    You can but you would have to change your driving habits to allow the synchromesh to engage nicely. Standard gearboxes should never be rushed...
19. Jungle Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Sheffield Posts: 1206 106 Rallye Turbo

    #19 19th March 2012, 14:35

    Hope I don't smash my box to pieces when I get mine running lol
20. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #20 19th March 2012, 15:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo I personally wouldn't want to use one on a daily basis, let alone cut the chassis of a daily driver. On a track car / weekend car is a different story, they are epic

    They look epic plus you know there going to be because colin and sandy have built them.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing You can but you would have to change your driving habits to allow the synchromesh to engage nicely. Standard gearboxes should never be rushed...

    Is this mostly due to the fact the linkages are solid or is because the whole system is tighter than standard?
21. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #21 19th March 2012, 15:13

    There is no play in the linkage so whatever movement you make with the lever will be replicated at the gearbox end instantly rather than parts giving slack in the mechanism
22. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #22 19th March 2012, 15:30

    I know they are awesome, I installed and used one in Nickheads car that I built up last year, got one waiting to go into my mango as well
23. Sandy309 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Cornwall Posts: 349 106 XSi

    #23 20th March 2012, 05:50

    I think the feel of the kit makes people keener to change too swiftly, that's the only potential for damage. Many of our customers have reported a reduction in gearbox problems after fitting the kit, you actually get a feel for the mechanical process rather than a weird rubbery vagueness. When I get cars in for mapping now with traditional quickshifts, they feel awful; it's not the same thing at all. But the syncrhos have a job to do and you have to respect them and give them the time they need to do it regardless.

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24. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #24 20th March 2012, 08:07

    If possible is there any change of buying a MA kit but then changing linkages suitable for a BE box? Doubt its possible unless its just the linkages are different lenghts.
25. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #25 20th March 2012, 08:47

    Sandy, out of interest do you know if the kit will happily fit an AX?
    
    Something I may look at in the future when the cars up & running again. I did some some initial measurements and can't see any difference between the mounting points for the kit on each shell, just wondered if you'd fitted one to an AX yet
26. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #26 20th March 2012, 10:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by willsy Sandy, out of interest do you know if the kit will happily fit an AX? Something I may look at in the future when the cars up & running again. I did some some initial measurements and can't see any difference between the mounting points for the kit on each shell, just wondered if you'd fitted one to an AX yet

    Someone had asked this on RR and someone had said that the ax and saxo/106 gearchange parts are the same but best to find out from sandy for definate.
27. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #27 20th March 2012, 10:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jsdvtr Someone had asked this on RR and someone had said that the ax and saxo/106 gearchange parts are the same but best to find out from sandy for definate.

    Cheers mate, I've compared both the Saxo and AX standard parts, and although there are some slight differences, essentially the chassis itself is no different.
    
    The interior parts and bits that bolt onto the lower bulk head would be fine. Would just need to check the lower lever under the car in the exhaust tunnel as the AX ARB and exhaust section to avoid the ARB varys to the Saxo one. I could always alter the setup to suit though
28. Sandy309 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Cornwall Posts: 349 106 XSi

    #28 21st March 2012, 05:48

    I've no idea if it will fit and AX, never tried.
    
    Contact Colin if you need to change the kit from MA to BE.
29. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #29 21st March 2012, 06:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sandy309 I've no idea if it will fit and AX, never tried. Contact Colin if you need to change the kit from MA to BE.

    How do i get in contact with him?
30. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #30 24th March 2012, 07:20

    Can you fit these with the engine in?
31. jpsaxo Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Oct 2005 Sydney Posts: 8525 Mango Westcoast

    #31 24th March 2012, 07:52

    I fitted one with the engine out, which is certainly easier, but that doesn't really answer your question lol. Im assuming you can but you will need to do the drilling/hole cutting from the dash side of the bulkhead
32. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #32 24th March 2012, 08:08

    Yes you can, I fitted god knows how many, done them, engine out, 15mins job. Engine in on axle stands rather not again special as it had dash in. And also done it on set of ramps 2nd easyest way, its possible on stands with engine in just takes longer and quite fiddly. Props Easyer to take tb off to.
33. jsdvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 morecambe Posts: 4286 2003 vtr/s

    #33 24th March 2012, 09:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jpsaxo I fitted one with the engine out, which is certainly easier, but that doesn't really answer your question lol. Im assuming you can but you will need to do the drilling/hole cutting from the dash side of the bulkhead

    It would be a hell of alot easier i can imagine haha.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mark1311 Yes you can, I fitted god knows how many, done them, engine out, 15mins job. Engine in on axle stands rather not again special as it had dash in. And also done it on set of ramps 2nd easyest way, its possible on stands with engine in just takes longer and quite fiddly. Props Easyer to take tb off to.

    So say if it was on a poster ramp so you can get to it from underneath it would be easiest?
    
    How easy are they too fit? Im just worried about knowing where to mount everything i.e. getting it in the wrong place or will all that info be in the instructions?
34. user_37194 Established Member Joined: Sep 2009 rotherham Posts: 1832 Be scirocco, full on 03plate track spec Saxo

    #34 24th March 2012, 09:54

    yer on ramps is easyest if engines in, fitting instuctions here
    
    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/pdf/satchshiftguide.pdf
    
    follow them cant reali go wrong, with tb off theres enough room to drill the 3 at top on bulk head, i just used a punch to cente it then an air drill as smaller. raise car undo wish bones supports then push it up n bolt it up sorted

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