Exhaust and Rear Brake issues *PICS INCLUDED*

  1. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    Hiya guys

    Just had rear pads, discs and calipers changed a couple of days ago and then yesterday night while driving to the girlfriends house i was sitting at some traffic lights and the brake peddle started slowly going to the floor with my foot on it. Took my foot off and there was pressure there but it just slowly sank to the floor again.......and today i find this after i go looking to see what the issue was..........



    Also i seem to have developed the most god awful rattling/screeching noise and a change in the exhaust note (sounds like there is a hole in the exhaust but the exhaust is less than 3 months old!!!) looks like some sort of bracket has come away from some welding on the exhaust and seems to be rattling on the exhaust pipe when stationary and when im driving?!? see pics below they were taken from the front end of the car...





    Any ideas on what caused both of them and how much they would cost to fix? Cars going back to the garage on Tuesday...............
  2. Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 exeter, devon Posts: 1224 Clio 172
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    i wouldnt drive it to the garage with brake fluid pissing out! get a mate to pump the brakes whilst you look at the caliper to see if you can see where its leaking from
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  3. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2011 Abermule, Mid Wales. Posts: 2763 Corsa Rally Car & Fiesta ST
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    +1 to the above post.

    top up the fluid and pump it while somebody looks where its leaking from. could just be the hose isnt tight or the bleed nipple isnt quite nipped up.

    or could be a dodgy seal.

    either way you should be easily able to find the leak.
  4. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2008 Lancs Posts: 4124 JP4S'd R.
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    Won't cost much to get the exhaust welded either. Is it a raceland mani?.. Glad I didn't/couldn't bolt it to the gearbox.
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  5. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Wakefield Posts: 395 saxo vtr/vts 106 diesel
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    on the brake pipe where it goes into calliper doesnt look correct to me the gold bit shouldnt be there should be pipe straight in to calliper all ive seen dont have the gold bit.
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  6. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Wakefield Posts: 395 saxo vtr/vts 106 diesel
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrmk1 View Post
    on the brake pipe where it goes into calliper doesnt look correct to me the gold bit shouldnt be there should be pipe straight in to calliper all ive seen dont have the gold bit.
    also the exhaust looks like its been strained to me by putting the bolt into the gearbox there ackward and take some jiggling looks like its been under too much tension and broken the weld
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  7. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    Thanks for the replies guys much appreciated
  8. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrmk1 View Post
    on the brake pipe where it goes into calliper doesnt look correct to me the gold bit shouldnt be there should be pipe straight in to calliper all ive seen dont have the gold bit.
    This advice is wrong.

    The "gold bit" is the union, it's there along with the flared pipe to make a perfectly air tight seal. It's meant to be there so don't remove it or adjust unless it's leaking fluid.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrmk1 View Post
    also the exhaust looks like its been strained to me by putting the bolt into the gearbox there ackward and take some jiggling looks like its been under too much tension and broken the weld
    The exhaust isn't under stress, the weld was just poor, the exhaust is meant to attach to the gearbox.

    As for the leak, it could be the union or bleed nipple is loose, or possibly a broken seal. Best way to check is the way that's been said before, top up the fluid, start the engine so the servo has pressure then pump/push hard on the brakes whilst someone looks to see where it's coming from.
  9. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Wakefield Posts: 395 saxo vtr/vts 106 diesel
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    just checked mine doesnt have the gold union either side also my mates doesnt seems strange both are fine.also the mounting bracket on gearbox is ment to be tightened on to gearbox but sometimes doest line up so have to bend it etc to make it fit this stresses the welds.
  10. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DreamEater View Post
    This advice is wrong.

    The "gold bit" is the union, it's there along with the flared pipe to make a perfectly air tight seal. It's meant to be there so don't remove it or adjust unless it's leaking fluid.



    The exhaust isn't under stress, the weld was just poor, the exhaust is meant to attach to the gearbox.

    As for the leak, it could be the union or bleed nipple is loose, or possibly a broken seal. Best way to check is the way that's been said before, top up the fluid, start the engine so the servo has pressure then pump/push hard on the brakes whilst someone looks to see where it's coming from.
    Hi Dreameater, the weld on the exhaust as its just been fitted 3 months ago would the warrenty cover it do you reckon? As the garage said there was 1 year warrenty on it when it was fitted....
  11. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxova View Post
    Won't cost much to get the exhaust welded either. Is it a raceland mani?.. Glad I didn't/couldn't bolt it to the gearbox.
    No saxova its just the bog standard exhaust for it
  12. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrmk1 View Post
    just checked mine doesnt have the gold union either side also my mates doesnt seems strange both are fine.
    The brake pipe goes through in to what looks like a normal bolt but is actually hollow, the end of the pipe is flared. Once that bolt is done up the flare creates an air tight seal. You definitely have one, there is no way you wouldn't...unless your brakes don't work.


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    Originally Posted by james240 View Post
    Hi Dreameater, the weld on the exhaust as its just been fitted 3 months ago would the warrenty cover it do you reckon? As the garage said there was 1 year warrenty on it when it was fitted....
    I would take it back to them and have them weld it up again, it's a tiny job, wouldn't take too long, just remind them you bought it there 3 months ago and now it's failed.
  13. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Wakefield Posts: 395 saxo vtr/vts 106 diesel
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  14. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Wakefield Posts: 395 saxo vtr/vts 106 diesel
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    thats how my brake pipe is one single union no need for the gold uinion plus doesnt leak!
  15. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saxovtrmk1 View Post
    thats how my brake pipe is one single union no need for the gold uinion plus doesnt leak!
    That's a little different... you implied that you had no union at all "there should be pipe straight in to calliper"
  16. Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Wakefield Posts: 395 saxo vtr/vts 106 diesel
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DreamEater View Post
    That's a little different... you implied that you had no union at all "there should be pipe straight in to calliper"
    no i said there is no GOLD union on mine. which there isnt
  17. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    Well spoken to the garage today after dropping it off to them and everything is covered under the warrenty brakes have been sorted which is good news.

    One thing that is strange is that the mechanic has ordered the exhaust and the one that has turned up isnt fitting correctly (well it does fit but eventually he said it would end up like the other one has because its not the correct shape...?) Considering its a bog standard exhaust are there different types of exhaust for the Saxo VTR? Mines a 1999 Reg (not the newer shape 'bug eyed' Saxo VTR) Do they differ at all?

    Just seemed a bit wierd lol
  18. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    Seems like the welds have started to go again on the same bracket for the exhaust in exactly the same place....Given that this is right at the front of the exhaust and is the down pipe does anyone think that the parts the garage are using are just shit or could it be the engine mounts? (which i hope it isnt because the car is getting ditched if it is.... )

    i kinda though if it was the engine mounts its the middle/rear of the exhaust that breaks.....

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
  19. L-plater Joined: Nov 2004 London United Kingdom (England) Posts: 56
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    bump................
  20. Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Nuneaton Posts: 108 Saxo Vtr
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    My mate had the same sort of problem with his exhaust... he just uprated (i think) the gearbox mount with powerflex one. Problem was solved. It doesn't cost that much either to up rate your mount tbh.
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