50mm????

1. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

   #1 28th September 2011, 21:17

   Me nd my bro want to lower our saxo's 50mm each, but as we are both skint buying new shocks isnt realy an option. can you go without new shocks at 50mm without major wear? chiz
2. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #2 28th September 2011, 22:27

   it is possible. not sure how well your ride comfort/handling will be. also, apparently apex 50mm springs dont sit right without the apex dampers
3. CC06NBA Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Bournemouth/Ringwood Posts: 1259 Black Mk2 VTS

   #3 28th September 2011, 22:30

   i have apex 50mm springs on my vts and they sit fine. obviously the ride wont be the best on standard dampers but you could get away with it i guess. im changing to spax 60mm springs soon and il be changing the dampers for sure.
4. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

   #4 28th September 2011, 23:32

   ahhh thanx, will defo go 50. jus got to buy a decent pair!
5. kennym1987 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts

   #5 29th September 2011, 02:05

   i'm down 60 on spax and my shocks are fine and have been for over a year. and there is lots of speed bumps and bad roads round my way. it depends on how you drive
6. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #6 29th September 2011, 09:10

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LSOfreak it is possible. not sure how well your ride comfort/handling will be. also, apparently apex 50mm springs dont sit right without the apex dampers

   How? They are designed for the standard spring platforms. Theres nothing clever about spring design. The only issue would arise if the car is literally sitting on the bumpstops leaving the spring loose in the housing as the damper cannot compress enough.
7. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #7 29th September 2011, 10:51

   i remember seeing in a thread krisb saying he had trouble
8. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #8 29th September 2011, 11:22

   well when people swap to aftermarket springs and dampers they dont replace the spring platforms. The flaw would persist with whatever dampers are fitted if there was a fault with the springs.
9. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #9 30th September 2011, 00:55

   that makes sense...
10. Renouf Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2011 Cwmbran, South Wales Posts: 248 Saxo 1.1

    #10 30th September 2011, 08:16

    So what your saying is most lower after market springs dont sit right on stock front shocks and are too small for the shock to push them down?
11. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #11 30th September 2011, 10:01

    The issue is people should not cheapskate.
    If you want to go 50mm or lower you need shortened dampers. Basically you are at maximum compression of the standard dampers and they simply cannot get low enough. Either because you are sitting on the bumpstop or the damper shaft cannot physically move further down.
12. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #12 30th September 2011, 19:46

    but if ur on a very tight budget u dont realy hav much chioce!!
13. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #13 30th September 2011, 20:12

    I was down 60mm on standard dampers for a good year or so, no leaks or anything when we took the standard dampers out.
    
    It'll handle better than with standard springs, that's what I found, but when you can afford to uprate the dampers too, it'll be even better.
14. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #14 30th September 2011, 20:30

    i'm going for some apex 60mm for my 1.1, my bro's got som 50mm for his vtr! will both b droppin them soon
15. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #15 30th September 2011, 20:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chris-hall-yo but if ur on a very tight budget u dont realy hav much chioce!!

    well you do but you've chosen to buy something
16. chris-hall-yo Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Stratford-upon-avon Posts: 596 Saxo 1.1

    #16 30th September 2011, 20:53

    go on.......
17. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #17 1st October 2011, 20:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KamRacing How? They are designed for the standard spring platforms. Theres nothing clever about spring design. The only issue would arise if the car is literally sitting on the bumpstops leaving the spring loose in the housing as the damper cannot compress enough.

    The springs do fit the cars, but depending on what shocks the car has got (most likely standard!) the springs springs are too short. And rattle about when everythings back together. Fine when the cars on the ground though, you just have to make sure it all lines up and the topmounts locate properly when letting the vehichle down. I should imagine if someone launched their car over a bridge then the springs may be dislodged.
18. crabzy Established Member Joined: Jan 2010 Leyland Posts: 1998 have to find out ;)

    #18 1st October 2011, 21:07

    i have 60mm spax on mine car and there very little give in suspension if not non at all .... so if your going get 50mm springs then new dampers would be good idea.
19. steve89_vtr L-plater Joined: Aug 2011 Cheadle Hulme Posts: 44 Saxo VTR

    #19 2nd October 2011, 23:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KrisB The springs do fit the cars, but depending on what shocks the car has got (most likely standard!) the springs springs are too short. And rattle about when everythings back together. Fine when the cars on the ground though, you just have to make sure it all lines up and the topmounts locate properly when letting the vehichle down. I should imagine if someone launched their car over a bridge then the springs may be dislodged.

    Ive MOT'ed loads of lowered cars and as cowboy as it sounds ....cable tie your springs in so if a bridge situation does happen there not going anywhere.
    ste
20. KrisB Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Dorking,Surrey,M25 J9 Posts: 2616 Static -80mm Peugeot 405

    #20 3rd October 2011, 18:34

    I do that anyway steve, although i still cant be held responsible if the springs become dislodged. Only the apex that is.