Snow tyres...

6th October 2011, 20:33

Where can i get cheapish snow tyres for my 15inch alloys? whats the best make to get for my money?

I know most people will say there pointless to buy etc but id rather not risk it in my new car. Last year in the snow and ice i got stuck due to having shitty crappy tyres on my old car plus didnt help i had only been passed a few months and was my first snow experience lol!

Thanks Sarah

6th October 2011, 20:34

michelin alpin ftw!

there is no such thing as a cheap snow tyre. 4 decent ones expect to pay for them.

6th October 2011, 20:49

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Originally Posted by tonto_VTR

michelin alpin ftw!

there is no such thing as a cheap snow tyre. 4 decent ones expect to pay for them.

yeah i guess so, you carnt get anything cheap now a days

think am only going to get 2 on the front :/

6th October 2011, 21:23

Buy Nokian tyres.

6th October 2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Westgarth

yeah i guess so, you carnt get anything cheap now a days

think am only going to get 2 on the front :/

illegal.

must be fitted with 4.

6th October 2011, 21:28

vredestein do some good ones as well

6th October 2011, 21:33

Found x4 toyo winter tyres on black circle for jst ova £200, 195-50-15 gonna mount on some steelies!!

Jon

6th October 2011, 21:38

would have thought you only needed 2 on the front

6th October 2011, 21:39

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Originally Posted by tonto_VTR

illegal.

must be fitted with 4.

Really? Wasn't aware of that, I know it's illegal to mix radials and cross plies, and obviously winter tyres will have different speed ratings that may need to be kept in mind but I didn't know you couldn't mix what is essentially different tread patterns?

6th October 2011, 21:39

Need the bak aswell as it will b all ova the shop if the fronts grippin and the rears not, espec with no weight at the bak!! Gotta b 4 tyres bud!!

Jon

6th October 2011, 21:42

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Originally Posted by gord

would have thought you only needed 2 on the front

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkslider

Really? Wasn't aware of that, I know it's illegal to mix radials and cross plies, and obviously winter tyres will have different speed ratings that may need to be kept in mind but I didn't know you couldn't mix what is essentially different tread patterns?

you will find it terrible to drive if you decide to mix winter tyres with normal operating tyres.

a snow tyre works on a different compound, and will have an optimum opperating temperture at 7oC, allowing grip to be better when its cold, but will reach its "heat" cycle, during a normal running conditions... resulting in no grip.

6th October 2011, 21:42

nah your not gonna be going fast enough on the slippy stuff to get that out of shape

6th October 2011, 21:44

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Originally Posted by gord

nah your not gonna be going fast enough on the slippy stuff to get that out of shape

what ?

i appreciate you are from the Toon.
so am i... but i didnt even understand that.

6th October 2011, 21:44

if you can drive properly and know the limits of the car you dont need winter tyres.

snow driving is so much fun, so many people shit a brick when they see snow/ice on the roads.

its them wankers that cause all the winter accidents.

6th October 2011, 21:46

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Originally Posted by rick_VTR

if you can drive properly and know the limits of the car you dont need winter tyres.

snow driving is so much fun, so many people shit a brick when they see snow/ice on the roads.

its them wankers that cause all the winter accidents.

i fully agree!
last year, the ammount of people who had accidents, and blamed it on the snow... umm no, you wernt driving to the right conditions!

last winter in my saxo was fucking amazing! i live ontop of a hill, and was one of the only people who could drive up and down it every day, even when the weather was at its worse, as everyone else seems to attack it and just spin up, and slide into the cars at the side of the road, id just gentle work the throttle around 1500-2k and went up loverrrrly!

6th October 2011, 21:47

Dnt need to be goin that fast! Long sweepin corner, round about an the front feels fine wit u winter tyres and the rears jst wash out! Really wouldn't recomend, I wrk in a Toyota service departmen and we jst had all the borin stuff bout these tyres and it's gotta b all round! Would b like running toyo r888 on the front and cheap shit on the rear and goin on a track day!

Jon

6th October 2011, 21:48

i only live in newcastle,i am from surrey.
i mean you only need 2 on the front. just to pull you up hills and stuff.
any incline and i was screwed last year.

6th October 2011, 21:49

good video to prove a point about 4 tyres over 2

6th October 2011, 21:51

good video but not really representative of our roads plus you would have the snows on the front not the rear

6th October 2011, 21:52

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Originally Posted by GRAHAM2000VTR

Tire Rack Tire Test - Winter Tires: Mixed vs. Matched Tires - YouTube good video to prove a point about 4 tyres over 2

good clip!

i did a track day with michelin about mixing tyres, and how it would effect handling. i say track day, more of a skid pad seshion! it was awesome!

6th October 2011, 21:53

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Originally Posted by gord

good video but not really representative of our roads plus you would have the snows on the front not the rear

tyres are my job.
you need 4.

you may aswell do the moonwalk to work than drive a car with mixed tyres in the snow.

also, they are RWD, so applying "snow tyres" to the driven wheel is being shown. which everyone seems to think is all you need to do. no.

6th October 2011, 21:53

yeah so in our case the back end maybe all over the show as opossed to the front end of the rwd and ok more snow there but still people can't drive over here with a cm of snow

6th October 2011, 21:56

still think you only need 2 on a front wheel drive car like the saxo.
the reason that bmw went off was he need 4 front 2 for steering and back for the traction

6th October 2011, 21:57

wow your hard

i thought we were having a discussion

6th October 2011, 21:57

you have NO CONTROL over the rear of your car! its not connected to the steering wheel, and you have no control over the power going to that wheel . . .

6th October 2011, 21:57

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Originally Posted by gord

wow your hard

???

no, just have a bit of common sense. you 'Tard.

6th October 2011, 22:00

insults now geez

you posted a video of a rear wheel drive and i agreed that it needed 4 snows.

6th October 2011, 22:01

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Originally Posted by gord

insults now geez

you posted a video of a rear wheel drive and i agreed that it needed 4 snows.

RWD, FWD or AWD needs 4 tyres . . . and i think you are insulting yourself with your stupidity.

6th October 2011, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

still think you only need 2 on a front wheel drive car like the saxo.
the reason that bmw went off was he need 4 front 2 for steering and back for the traction

every one know how light saxo are on the rear so giving the front more grip and not the rear your going to have a really light back end

6th October 2011, 22:03

yeah i totally agree and on roads like in the vidoe would be a disaster, but how many roads are actually that bad here?

6th October 2011, 22:03

either way, if you go to a garage and they are happy to fit just 2 . . . they need shutting down.

6th October 2011, 22:04

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Originally Posted by gord

yeah i totally agree and on roads like in the vidoe would be a disaster, but how many roads are actually that bad here?

its got nothing to do with snow, and how much there are.

its compounds and heat cycles. . . a standard tyre, will not function in colder weather. a winter tyre will grip from 7oC... SEVEN! a normal tyre will be thinking "FUCK OFF" anywhere near that!

6th October 2011, 22:05

Gd luck wit jst the two tyres! Jst buy two cause it's cheaper and see how you get on then post on your findings!! For those that dnt mind spendin the extra and take the advise you do really need 4 then you will feel alot more safe on the roads this winter,...oh apart from the other wankers that as mentioned can't drive in anythin but perfect conditions, and even then struggle!!

Jon

6th October 2011, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

insults now geez

you posted a video of a rear wheel drive and i agreed that it needed 4 snows.

yeah so if you only put 2 on the front of the bmw may have better steering control like the saxo but the rear on the bme wont have the grip just like a sxo it really isn't hard that you need to fit for

even if its just normal tyre have a really good set on the front and crap on the rear regardless of fwd,rwd or awd there is always gonna be affect on grip

6th October 2011, 22:05

yeah i would expect then to want to do them all, it will be safer but if you drive to conditions you wouldnt be going that fast anyway, would you?

6th October 2011, 22:07

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Originally Posted by gord

yeah i would expect then to want to do them all, it will be safer but if you drive to conditions you wouldnt be going that fast anyway, would you?

going fast or slow makes no difference, if your tyres dont work

6th October 2011, 22:08

tonto_vtr think we may aswell go talk to a brick wall think will have more sense from it

6th October 2011, 22:08

Watch from about 1:20 on....

Get 4 winter tyres or don't bother

6th October 2011, 22:10

Slow or fast the braking distance is still effected alot more with summer tyres compared to winter tyres!! And the car will behave alt more like normal in these COLD and snowy/icey conditions compared to summer tyres!!

Jon

6th October 2011, 22:10

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Originally Posted by GRAHAM2000VTR

tonto_vtr think we may aswell go talk to a brick wall think will have more sense from it

i thought i already was

6th October 2011, 22:12

i do see your point, not arguing with you.
i drove all last year with shitty tyres.
only ever had one issue and that was going up hill. the way i drive (slow as fuck because if i crash the saxo i know i will die

) i think the difference in grip will be marginal, although i have no experience with snow tyres. last year my max speed to work in the snow was 12 mph max. not enough to enough get my drift on

6th October 2011, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiseyVTR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCyiB...eature=related

Watch from about 1:20 on....

Get 4 winter tyres or don't bother

very good video doubt he will still get that you need 4 tyre
i'll await the i wish i had 4 winter tyre than 2 look at my fucked saxo thread

6th October 2011, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

i do see your point, not arguing with you.
i drove all last year with shitty tyres.
only ever had one issue and that was going up hill. the way i drive (slow as fuck because if i crash the saxo i know i will die

) i think the difference in grip will be marginal, although i have no experience with snow tyres. last year my max speed to work in the snow was 12 mph max. not enough to enough get my drift on

put ur brake on hard this year and tell me what happens

6th October 2011, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

i do see your point, not arguing with you.
i drove all last year with shitty tyres.
only ever had one issue and that was going up hill. the way i drive (slow as fuck because if i crash the saxo i know i will die

) i think the difference in grip will be marginal, although i have no experience with snow tyres. last year my max speed to work in the snow was 12 mph max. not enough to enough get my drift on

12mph is plenty to make your car slide controllably . . . just sayin'

6th October 2011, 22:14

are there any videos showing just 2 front snow tyres?

not my saxo was fine last year

6th October 2011, 22:15

yes the second video if you watch

6th October 2011, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRAHAM2000VTR

put ur brake on hard this year and tell me what happens

i loved doing skid tests in work, we had a few cars in work which we just used to abuse before scrapping them...and we would drive down the car park, slam on, and see who could stop as close as they could to the wall...widewayz, a lil h-brake tweek, and a heavy break foot was such a game!

6th October 2011, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

are there any videos showing just 2 front snow tyres?

not my saxo was fine last year

i wouldnt trust a garage if they are willing to fit just Two...

6th October 2011, 22:17

the second says 4 snows doesnt it?

6th October 2011, 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

the second says 4 snows doesnt it?

on one vehicle
the other has 2

6th October 2011, 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

the second says 4 snows doesnt it?

watch and listen

6th October 2011, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRAHAM2000VTR

watch and listen

i stand by my comment on the previous page.

maybe your IQ should be part of getting a license these days.

6th October 2011, 22:19

sorry i just watched it all, i see your point.

6th October 2011, 22:21

tonto your ignorant with your replys
what is it with you can you not have a conversation without insulting people.
my IQ means i dont fit tyres for a living.

6th October 2011, 22:21

So finally we all agree, 4 winter tyres or nothin!! Persistence pays off, gd luck when the snow falls guys!!

Jon

6th October 2011, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

tonto your ignorant with your replys
what is it with you can you not have a conversation without insulting people.
my IQ means i dont fit tyres for a living.

no, im rather offensive according to most.
who gives a shit.

started off trying to give you advice, you decided to be a knob about it, resulted in some good banter, and you didnt like it.
shame.

6th October 2011, 22:24

how was a a knob for having a different opinion to you?

6th October 2011, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

tonto your ignorant with your replys
what is it with you can you not have a conversation without insulting people.
my IQ means i dont fit tyres for a living.

so maybe think next time o maybe these guy know what there on about thats why they're getting a bit arsey with me

6th October 2011, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by gord

how was a a knob for having a different opinion to you?

it wasnt the difference in opinion. it was your ignorance to the advice being given by myself and numerous other members.

6th October 2011, 22:34

i dont trust random people from the internet, once i watched that video i did say i was wrong. i do still think they might have been driving a tad fast for the conditions though.

sorry just noticed the difference in wheel base, would this be a factor as well?

this little tiff is really helping my post count

6th October 2011, 22:44

god man use your head. winter tyres are for winter, summer tyres for summer. start mixing and its just going to equal disaster.
if you want better grip in the snow then do it properly. or just dont do it at all. will be safer having none winter tyres all round than to start mixing them.

6th October 2011, 22:46

already sorted mate i have said i was wrong

7th October 2011, 08:26

Winter tyres are awesome; regardless of how fast you intend to go they give you loads more grip in cold weather, whether it's snowing or not.

Someone mentioned Vredesteins - that's what I have and lasted me a couple of winters now and got 2 left in them I'd estimate. £220 delivered for 4 in 185/55/14