Pas - update new pump no action!

1. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

   #1 9th October 2011, 23:58

   EDIT:
   
   Right I've not put a new power steering pump on, with new loom, etc and still nothing!? My heaters blow hot, and as far as im aware the rear demister works so I could still do with some help... I'm guessing people are gonna say Power steering rack?
   
   Any help is greatful!
   
   *Note: PAS isn't brand new its 2nd hand but it its been tested and works.
   
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   Right my Power Steering isn't working...
   
   Its got new fluid in, and the pump is brand new a few months ago (NOTE: Wasnt working when i bought the car and was already fitted to the car, just have a reciept saying it was done..)
   
   I've checked the connections and all seem fine to my liking, so what else could it be?
   
   Update: To give more info, there is power to the pump cause I can hear it doing something but just making a sort of rattle with a bit of a whine ish?
   
   I may try get a video tomorrow and see if you can shed more light
2. Stefan_Wood Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Birmingham Posts: 1557 Furio, 306Hdi, Astra 1.9cdti

   #2 10th October 2011, 00:17

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Anthony Right my Power Steering isn't working... Its got new fluid in, and the pump is brand new a few months ago (NOTE: Wasnt working when i bought the car and was already fitted to the car, just have a reciept saying it was done..) I've checked the connections and all seem fine to my liking, so what else could it be?

   Same problem mate, when car is turned on i dont get the electric starting up noise the pump gives either
3. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

   #3 10th October 2011, 00:32

   I have some kind of noise from the pump when the car is started, but its more like a rattleish sort of noise
4. Stefan_Wood Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Birmingham Posts: 1557 Furio, 306Hdi, Astra 1.9cdti

   #4 10th October 2011, 00:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Anthony I have some kind of noise from the pump when the car is started, but its more like a rattleish sort of noise

   BEst thing to do is get a new pump, hitting it with a hammer works tho for a bit, and im not joking lol
5. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

   #5 10th October 2011, 10:51

   That's the only thing I havn't tried, used to hit my old one lol...
   
   
   And a new pump? The pump on it is new lol!
6. Stefan_Wood Established Member Joined: Sep 2011 Birmingham Posts: 1557 Furio, 306Hdi, Astra 1.9cdti

   #6 10th October 2011, 10:58

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Anthony That's the only thing I havn't tried, used to hit my old one lol... And a new pump? The pump on it is new lol!

   Well take it apart and give it a good clean, if not head to the scrappy pic up a new one lol
7. thenice Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2010 Enfield north London Posts: 473 Corsa 1.7 diesel

   #7 10th October 2011, 16:38

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood BEst thing to do is get a new pump, hitting it with a hammer works tho for a bit, and im not joking lol

   Yep it sure does! i bashed mine at least 6 months ago and it's still ok even after lots of miles!
8. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

   #8 19th October 2011, 13:50

   Still not working, I think the pump has ran with no fluid tbh as car was stood and no fluid in it when I bought it so I'm guessing it will be fucked if its been drove with no fluid?
   
   There is power to the pump but its making a funny noise like a bit of a rattle/whine?
9. Wongo69 Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Bolton Posts: 144 Mk2 vtr slammed

   #9 19th October 2011, 15:01

   Is your heater blower working?
   
   If they have both packed up then i know what the fault is.
10. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #10 19th October 2011, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wongo69 Is your heater blower working? If they have both packed up then i know what the fault is.

    It works on all 3 settings, not sure if it blows hot as havn't ran the car long enough for it to yet lol.
11. Wongo69 Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Bolton Posts: 144 Mk2 vtr slammed

    #11 19th October 2011, 23:40

    If your heaters blowing fine it's not the same problem i had, i would say pas pump. Another common fault due to weathering.
12. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #12 20th October 2011, 14:14

    Yeah they seem to be ok mate, and I can hear power going to the pump just no action.
13. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #13 20th October 2011, 22:49

    May get a video of this to see if anyone can help, dont really wanna spend tons on a new PAS pump :|
14. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #14 3rd November 2011, 20:56

    Updated first post, please help me!
15. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #15 3rd November 2011, 20:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood Same problem mate, when car is turned on i dont get the electric starting up noise the pump gives either

    That noise is your fuel pump relay buzzing,to the op there is a grey relay for the pas sometimes these are faulty.Not 100% sure where they are located though.
16. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #16 3rd November 2011, 21:10

    Already tried that aswell mate, relay comes off the pump loom, which I've changed, using both (working) relays that I have.
    
    
    Ant
17. Ryanoo Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Northamptonshire Posts: 1084 MK2 VTR.

    #17 3rd November 2011, 21:26

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    Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood Same problem mate, when car is turned on i dont get the electric starting up noise the pump gives either

    Sorry to hi-jack. OP.
    
    That noise are you talking about the bbbbuuuuuuuut noise when you click the ignition to the number 2?
18. Ryanoo Established Member Joined: Nov 2011 Northamptonshire Posts: 1084 MK2 VTR.

    #18 3rd November 2011, 21:26

    is that the*
19. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #19 3rd November 2011, 21:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Payney Already tried that aswell mate, relay comes off the pump loom, which I've changed, using both (working) relays that I have. Ant

    Have you checked the loom for breaks?
20. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #20 3rd November 2011, 22:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 Have you checked the loom for breaks?

    The loom is working or the pump wouldn't have power going to it? How is the pump connected to the rack? As I think the problem may lie here.
    
    Not sure if the rack would go as never known many saxos to have the steering rack done?
21. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #21 3rd November 2011, 22:12

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    Originally Posted by Payney The loom is working or the pump wouldn't have power going to it? How is the pump connected to the rack? As I think the problem may lie here. Not sure if the rack would go as never known many saxos to have the steering rack done?

    Follow your power steering pipes back from the pump to the rack not sure what connections citroen used as standard though.
22. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #22 3rd November 2011, 22:17

    Everything should be fine I really don't understand.
    
    
    Another question, when I turn the wheels to the left, or right, the fluid level goes down a bit and back up when central does this not show that there is fluid all round etc?
23. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #23 3rd November 2011, 22:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Payney Everything should be fine I really don't understand. Another question, when I turn the wheels to the left, or right, the fluid level goes down a bit and back up when central does this not show that there is fluid all round etc?

    All I can say my levels remain the same mate.
24. nads2030 L-plater Joined: Dec 2008 west wales Posts: 65 1999 1.4 westcoast Mango colour

    #24 3rd November 2011, 22:57

    if the fluid level goes up and down. It indicates that there is air trapped in the power steering pipes. They will need bleeding again. Section 10.16 of the haynes manual explains the procedure for this. wishing you luck with this. Took me ages to get the air out of the system.

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25. Payney Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Telford, Shropshire Posts: 6557 Mangooo

    #25 3rd November 2011, 23:18

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    Originally Posted by nads2030 if the fluid level goes up and down. It indicates that there is air trapped in the power steering pipes. They will need bleeding again. Section 10.16 of the haynes manual explains the procedure for this. wishing you luck with this. Took me ages to get the air out of the system.

    I did think this to be honest as there are bubbles after a bit of turning of the wheels.
    
    May need to do this over the weekend and see how far I get, and thanks for giving the chapter of the book, very helpful.