1 locking wheel nut causing grief!

1. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #1 14th October 2011, 10:47

   As above,
   
   Key was shit - had prongs that were already fucked and then went up shit creek without a paddle and broke completely.
   
   As I have today off work I want to get this fucker off - I have already tried welding a bar to it, a socket to it and a bolt to it - but i am just not a good enough welder to get it to butt correctly.
   
   I have tried knocking a socket on it - it just spins.
   
   I am thinking of blow torching it shortly and trying a smaller socket yet.
   
   I have another strut that I may just swap over to make my life easier If i can get it off. but obviously would have to take the driveshaft out from the gearbox - I am trying to avoid doing this at home as It would be easier at work. But time isnt being my friend - so how stiff is it usually to get out?
   
   who recomends what?
2. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

   #2 14th October 2011, 10:51

   How stiff is what to get out?
3. birchybalboa Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Ludlow, Shropshiree Posts: 368 Mk1 Grey VTS

   #3 14th October 2011, 11:50

   Get a good mig welder nice nut and fill the center of nut with weld onto your wheel nut, and fook all locking wheel nuts off, noone pinches wheels now, if they want anything theyl have the car.
   
   Psnot a shitty DIY welder
4. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #4 14th October 2011, 11:51

   NSF driveshaft, ive never taken one out of a saxo + my lever bars are at work :/
5. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

   #5 14th October 2011, 11:52

   It should just pull out quite easily tbh and with regards to locking wheel nuts I would remove them all and get a decent set. I had problems with two (standard ones) on mine and have opted to get rid due to poor quality of them.
6. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #6 14th October 2011, 12:08

   Yeah I dont run them normally, just bought the car a week or so ago, Ill get a prog thread up but Its fucking me off just having a nsf silver vtr wheel lol! But yeah whoever designed them can suck a door matt!
   
   I have a pretty good mig - Im just not too good at welding - I think that whoever put the wheel on hadnt used copper grease and hasnt removed the wheels for a while as some of the wheel bolts snapped when removing them - so the locking nut is being a fucker, when i welded last time It would hold up until i was putting enough force to crack the bolt but the weld gave way first. Think i may just take the whole strut out + driveshaft (obviously) and swap them over.
   
   Im just holding off coz it will be soo much easier if I get this bolt out!
7. Juggyluggs Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2010 Moke's Master!!! Posts: 3434 Ibiza Formula Sport Yammy yzf r6

   #7 14th October 2011, 12:18

   can you not drill into it and then tap it the opposite way to if that makes sense and then chuck in a screw and nut then try that way might work or just drill the fucker out
8. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #8 14th October 2011, 12:37

   Im pretty sure it a steel bolt not alloy though smacking a socket into it isnt doing much to the face of it.
9. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

   #9 14th October 2011, 12:39

   and ive already smashed through about 4 drill bits
10. Juggyluggs Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2010 Moke's Master!!! Posts: 3434 Ibiza Formula Sport Yammy yzf r6

    #10 14th October 2011, 12:43

    doh! erm take it to a tyre centre im pretty sure they can get them out obviously for a price
11. Manu Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned

    #11 14th October 2011, 12:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sebring and ive already smashed through about 4 drill bits

    I giggled, sorry. Shit out of luck, were these metal drill bits or you used some wood ones?
12. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

    #12 14th October 2011, 12:49

    it'll be in too tight to be able to undo by any other means than a wrench I would imagine.
    
    If all else fails oxycetalyne (fuck know how to spell that) torch will sort it out, had to do that to my first one
13. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #13 14th October 2011, 12:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Juggyluggs doh! erm take it to a tyre centre im pretty sure they can get them out obviously for a price

    Yeah I was thinking this but I never pay anyone to do anything on my car, im an apprentice mechanic so I do everything myself - So its a learning curb. But Im thinking of calling the RAC
14. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #14 14th October 2011, 12:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brettles1986 If all else fails oxycetalyne (fuck know how to spell that) torch will sort it out, had to do that to my first one

    You read my mind.... funnily enough i dont have any of that at home
    
    Maybe blowtorch and a bigger hammer + chisel/punch
    
    I may even put on my american impression and sue the maker of locking wheel nuts
15. Manu Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned

    #15 14th October 2011, 12:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brettles1986 oxycetalyne (fuck know how to spell that)

    oxy acetylene

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16. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #16 14th October 2011, 12:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Manu I giggled, sorry. Shit out of luck, were these metal drill bits or you used some wood ones?

    Both - wood bits didn't stand a chance though - even my big drill that goes to 550 nm wouldnt do shit without the bit breaking
17. Manu Saxperience Addict Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 11714 A6 Le Mans tuned/A3 TFSI tuned

    #17 14th October 2011, 13:04

    that's because it builds temperature too quickly, expands then breaks. I think your only 2 options left is go buy some proper drill bits for metal of take your car to a wheel shop.
    
    Though if you made a bit of a hole in the nut you could try welding a bolt on it again and it might hold.
18. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

    #18 14th October 2011, 13:14

    hammer & chisel is the best thing you can use at home imo
19. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #19 14th October 2011, 13:21

    right im going to heat the fucker up and try all of above with it hot even if i can snap it off, i have another hub +disc i can use!
20. user_54407 Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Swindon Posts: 577 MGB Sebring Track (WIP), Saxo

    #20 14th October 2011, 19:30

    so yeahh, didnt go to plan - made a mess of it but got new exhaust on - neighbour has a hugely powerful drill so gonna have a wirl with that tomo