Important! : Engine cutting out

1. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

   #1 17th November 2011, 00:08

   basically had this problem for a while now. After i rev the car past 4k RPM it decides it doesn't wanna stay alive. Every time i drop the clucth to change gear it will drop revs extremely quickly and if i drop the clutch around a corner etc it will cut out, sometimes it saves itself but most of the time it will cut out, which is obviously dangerous as the power steering goes out too.
   when i pulled up at home tonight i managed to get a video, as when i restarted the engine it kept cutting out straight away.
   
2. sir-gomer Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Bedworth Posts: 243 Yellow Saxo VTR: 2000 BMW 3 Series Coupe: 2008

   #2 17th November 2011, 11:58

   Shot in the dark...idle control valve OR spark plugs gone OR damp in fuel. I had that a while back when the car was starting but not whilst going along...
3. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

   #3 17th November 2011, 15:10

   Dunno about the ICV but it's just been serviced 4k miles ago and it's done it for a few months, i just don't rag the shit out of it all the time.
4. sir-gomer Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2011 Bedworth Posts: 243 Yellow Saxo VTR: 2000 BMW 3 Series Coupe: 2008

   #4 17th November 2011, 15:26

   It's gotta be something to do with idle though mate I would have thought?
5. kennym1987 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts

   #5 17th November 2011, 16:33

   i would say icv aswell. had the same problem on 2 different engines and its down to the icv
6. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

   #6 17th November 2011, 18:00

   if its when you let off the revs then probably the icv isnt working properly and closes so your not getting any air at all into the engine, but you said when you take it over 4k it does it too? when its at those kind of revs the icv isnt in use so it could be something else.. sounds like it could be some kind of fueling problem to me
7. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

   #7 17th November 2011, 23:42

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ben_SaxoForte if its when you let off the revs then probably the icv isnt working properly and closes so your not getting any air at all into the engine, but you said when you take it over 4k it does it too? when its at those kind of revs the icv isnt in use so it could be something else.. sounds like it could be some kind of fueling problem to me

   When i say over 4k, i mean if i drive the car aggressively and get over 4k..when i idle or dip the clutch then the revs drop and it stalls..what should ido to the ICV? just clean it and soak the piece of shit in WD40?
8. user_36078 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010

   #8 17th November 2011, 23:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Karlb1 When i say over 4k, i mean if i drive the car aggressively and get over 4k..when i idle or dip the clutch then the revs drop and it stalls..what should ido to the ICV? just clean it and soak the piece of shit in WD40?

   Hit me up on facebook motherfucker.
9. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

   #9 17th November 2011, 23:46

   clean it up with wd40 or some carb cleaner and see how it goes but it might need replacing.
10. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

    #10 18th November 2011, 01:04

    Well Mr Dom is popping over in a bit so i'll see how it is after he's molested it a little.
11. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

    #11 18th November 2011, 03:29

    Right well Dom's molestation didn't do anything, still pissing me about any more ideas?
12. user_36078 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010

    #12 18th November 2011, 04:21

    This one has confused me, the ICV was pretty clean, and still worked on the ignition (popped out and in).
    
    Unless it keeps sticking (which gauging by how clean it looks I doubt it), it ain't the ICV.
    
    Just watched that Video Karl, it does look like the ICV with the rev's fluctuating tbh. Somethings taking the piss. If you want to pop past mine if you bring the cat down, I can take another look at it under better light.
13. DreamEater Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane

    #13 18th November 2011, 04:28

    Is the 3 plugs to the throttle connected? After doing my headgasket I forgot to connect mine and it would hunt and die all the time.
    
    No holes in breather pipers or maybe one has come loose?
14. user_36078 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010

    #14 18th November 2011, 04:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DreamEater Is the 3 plugs to the throttle connected? After doing my headgasket I forgot to connect mine and it would hunt and die all the time. No holes in breather pipers or maybe one has come loose?

    All 3 plugs are in.
    
    One of the breather's has a slight bit of oil around it, but it is nothing connected to the problem
15. DreamEater Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane

    #15 18th November 2011, 04:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dom All 3 plugs are in. One of the breather's has a slight bit of oil around it, but it is nothing connected to the problem

    Stumped.
    
    I hate problems like this, I prefer stuff that's fucked, you know what's wrong then.
16. user_36078 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010

    #16 18th November 2011, 04:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DreamEater Stumped. I hate problems like this, I prefer stuff that's fucked, you know what's wrong then.

    Same, I'm not sure what the symptoms of a fucked Temp sensor are, maybe? or not?
17. DreamEater Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Hertfordshire Posts: 1574 '07 Saab 93 Vector Sport - '79 Citroën Dyane

    #17 18th November 2011, 04:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dom Same, I'm not sure what the symptoms of a fucked Temp sensor are, maybe? or not?

    Mass air flow sensor? That one you just unplug iirc, not sure what to look for though, google is your friend...
18. user_36078 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2009 Costa Del Posts: 8010

    #18 18th November 2011, 04:47

    Noo, erm, the sensor on top of the thermostat housing.
    
    I'm lost for ideas, its nearly 5am. I shouldn't be thinking this late
19. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #19 18th November 2011, 04:51

    Bad lamda sensor injecting wheey to much feul carnt burn it so it dies, also map sensor maybe?
20. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #20 18th November 2011, 04:55

    Also did you change feul filter on last service as they be known to cause problems like this if they old.
21. Karlb1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2011 Aylesbury Posts: 1868 Seat Leon Cupra tdi

    #21 18th November 2011, 09:25

    1- lambda sensor was changed twice for MOT last monh.
    2-Fuel filter was changed about 6k miles ago on it's major service.
    3-FUCKING HELP
22. user_46658 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2010 Little Mill, South Wales Posts: 7547 Mondeo ST TDCI Saxo VTS

    #22 18th November 2011, 09:32

    Could be the green temp sensor, had this on my 106 and changed the, MAP Sensor, ICV and the temp sensor and the last one was the one that resolved it
23. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

    #23 18th November 2011, 17:16

    Still could be the icv imo they don't usually just die they still move but not as they should when they were new, personally would try one from another car/saxo before trying other sensors