Dads Clio 1.2 04 plate headgasket gone?? UPDATE

1. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #1 5th January 2012, 20:44

   He was driving along and the engine management light started flashing, kept going and then the car lost power and just judderd to a hault.... now it sounds like its running really rough and still has no power and there is yellow marg type stuff all over the oil cap and where the oil cap goes into.
   
   It only has 50k on the car/engine
   
   is that the headgasket? not sure if the temp gauge went up or flashed.
   
   could it just be the coil pack or something?
   
   cheers
2. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #2 5th January 2012, 21:58

   Get a compression test done.
   
   White stuff on the oil cap may not be the HG.

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3. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #3 5th January 2012, 22:05

   cheers mate i just have to take it to a garage and tell them to sort it... just dont want them to rip him off
4. DanMilton L-plater Joined: Jan 2012 Bicester Posts: 58 Citroen Saxo VTR Phase Deux

   #4 5th January 2012, 23:12

   "mayonaise" as some mechanics/vehicle technicians call it can be a HG problem or as some cars dont get used often, condensation(water vapour) in the engine causes oil+water mix which also creates this effect, a rough running sounds like a certain HG problem as this is usually a fault when they are badly deteriorated, a simple emissions sniffer test in the coolant bottle at a local garage will clear up any concerns
   
   (if you check the dipstick and the oil from the sump is yellow then id be 90% sure its a HG)

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5. DundeeUnited Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR

   #5 5th January 2012, 23:18

   tbh a headgasket in theory should go in a certain amount of time, not just one journey.
   But like you said if your dad doesnt check the car often then he may not have noticed the symptoms previously. would defo recommend a compression test before you start chucking money into coil packs e.t.c

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6. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #6 5th January 2012, 23:20

   cheers guys emmisions sniffer and compression tests
7. DeanAngell1234 Established Member Joined: Dec 2011 Trowbridge, Wiltshire Posts: 1424 Suzuki Swift SZ3 2003 Posi Blue VTS

   #7 6th January 2012, 13:08

   As said before, could be water vapour on a cold morning

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8. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

   #8 7th January 2012, 12:47

   update... had a diagnostics test and this code came up p0302 cylinder 2 misfire detected
   
   so could be spark plug? coil pack? anything else?
   
   im going to check the spark plugs now
   
   and for the above dean there is just so much yellow think gunk i dont think its just off condensation but then again i dont know lol
   
   cheers
9. josh_hanks Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Bristol Posts: 129 2002 Saxo VTS

   #9 7th January 2012, 12:56

   Check the plugs and the ht leads mate, sound like a duff one is in there. As for the oil doe it go on long drives or is it short distance because the cold weather can cause condensation which will do that to the oil!

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10. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #10 7th January 2012, 16:03

    yes mate but the oil has always been fine and then since this has happend there is loads n loads n loads of it.
    
    the car wont even turn over now it sounds like something electrical is stopping it
    
    changed the spark plugs and theres no difference attal....
    
    comp test next or try the coil pack?
11. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #11 7th January 2012, 16:30

    Coil pack there shit on clio's don't think there is a week goes by that we don't have one in for changing mate.

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12. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #12 7th January 2012, 17:06

    When a misfire occurs, the first places to start are the plugs and the coil pack.

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13. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #13 7th January 2012, 17:28

    You need to find where that oil gunk is coming from, it shouldnt be there if theres loads. Pics of it would help. Sounds to me like you've got coolant in a cylinder from a blown head gasket and it wont fire on that cylinder because of that, but thats the worst case scenario

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14. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #14 8th January 2012, 21:54

    it is getting a compression test tomorrow so will update then
15. eggy01 Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2011 kings lynn Posts: 403 Citroen Saxo Vtr

    #15 8th January 2012, 22:20

    i had to do my sisters 1.2 16v clio -.- i hate renaults after that, she never serviced it or anything it was 2 year over due on cambelt and service i dropped the oil and it had white bits in it some off it looked well creamy so i put a headgasket on it cambelt and service i also put 16valves in it as they was all burnout, after all off that it still ran like a bag off shit -.- narrowed it down to lambda sensor it ran better for a while, then broke down, it did the same as what you said juddered to a holt it was coil pack, so put one on one on and ran better but not 100% so in the end she part exchanged it lol. moral of the story is not to buy a renault clio!! lol
    
    there is normally some amount off white cream in the top off the cap on the clios if they do short journeys as they has that 2"-3" neck on the cam cover so condesation builds up there best way is todrop oil out if the oil is any kind of shade of white or creamy then head gasket is gone
    
    and put a set off plugs and coil pack on it as plugs are known for breaking down and coil packs are as good as a chocalte tea pot on the clios
    
    hope this helps buddy
    
    matt

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16. CitroenSport Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 1984 MK2 VTS 153bhp

    #16 10th January 2012, 22:27

    update... coil pack is ok soooo 99% sure its the HG but will get a compression tester tomorrow and check. anyone know how i can find out what pressure each cylinder should be?
17. DanMilton L-plater Joined: Jan 2012 Bicester Posts: 58 Citroen Saxo VTR Phase Deux

    #17 3rd August 2012, 22:29

    Basically around 100-120psi usually aslong as they're all about the same
18. f13sta Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 loughborough Posts: 2229 1988 ford fiesta mk2 1.4- 2001 black saxo furio (d

    #18 3rd August 2012, 23:02

    your looking for atleast 150 psi on a petrol engine.
    
    you'd be suprised how bad the mayo can get, little old ladies in vauxhalls get it the worse from my experience. had one in was a 2002, done 12k from new, the mayo was soo bad you could have used it as a nice dollap on your sandwich lol. but ran fine. wiped it off took it for an extra long run and it was fine.
    
    but a compression test would be a good thing to try. are the seperate coils on that engine or the ht lead set up? renualts change soo much its had to keep up, if it is individual coild could try swapping no1 and 2 over and re plugging it in and see if it shifts from no2 misfire to no1 then it'll be the coil.,
19. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

    #19 4th August 2012, 01:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DanMilton Basically around 100-120psi usually aslong as they're all about the same

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by f13sta your looking for atleast 150 psi on a petrol engine. you'd be suprised how bad the mayo can get, little old ladies in vauxhalls get it the worse from my experience. had one in was a 2002, done 12k from new, the mayo was soo bad you could have used it as a nice dollap on your sandwich lol. but ran fine. wiped it off took it for an extra long run and it was fine. but a compression test would be a good thing to try. are the seperate coils on that engine or the ht lead set up? renualts change soo much its had to keep up, if it is individual coild could try swapping no1 and 2 over and re plugging it in and see if it shifts from no2 misfire to no1 then it'll be the coil.,

    If he ain't sorted it since the 10th of January. I'd be bloody worried.
20. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #20 4th August 2012, 02:10

    epic first post
    
    as said...even 150psi is low!!
    
    my engine is low comp..has 180-190..and the rings are still fried!!