suspension Question?

1. jeffc Newbie Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 13

   #1 10th January 2012, 22:59

   Ive tried to post this in the track motorsport section but as ive just registered it isnt allowing me access.
   
   Im on building a saxo Vts race car and I am about to start on the suspension, the car is n/a 190bhp race motor that will be running on Toyo 888s, at the moment it is running bilstien fronts with very low springs (usure how low but to me looks too low!!) the rear is lowered again right on the floor on the standard torsion bar with Bilstien shocks, I want to build this right from the start and I feel the car needs to be higher as it is It wont ride the kerbs where i will be racing ,the front should be easy to sort with a change of springs .
   for the rear I have a spare axle that i am going to build up and Ive read up and a lot of people doing track work are recommending changing to a larger torsion bar for improved handling , Ive googled for suppliers struggling to find places that are selling them, can any one point me in the direction of recommended suppliers or offer advice on suspension advice for track use or point me in the direction of anyone than can help with suspension set up/advice .
   
   thanks in advance.
   
   
2. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

   #2 10th January 2012, 23:03

   Not your answer but what you running to get 190 out of a n/a 16v?
3. jeffc Newbie Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 13

   #3 11th January 2012, 08:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Cam Not your answer but what you running to get 190 out of a n/a 16v?

   its a 1600 vts motor
   qep big valve head
   modified valves
   uprated valve springs/shims
   290 cams
   solid lifters
   woosner hi comp pistons
   lightened balanced bottom end
   lightened balanced flywheel
   steel rods
   arp bolts
   jenvey itbs.
   maniflow manifold and system
   
   makes 190bhp and 145 torques which in fairness wont be quite enough compared to other 1600s im going to be racing hence wanting to get the handling right.
4. stupotvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 EDINBURGH Posts: 3143 BMW e36 328i sport

   #4 11th January 2012, 08:11

   Have you checked gmc's website?
5. jeffc Newbie Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 13

   #5 11th January 2012, 08:50

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stupotvtr Have you checked gmc's website?

   no but just googled it and found it. I didnt build the car but checking through its spec it has gmc springs fitted.
6. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #6 11th January 2012, 09:31

   Id get something better up front aswell for the car
   
   Is it a white vtr??
   Sounds like craigs one that was for sale
   
   Proper racing and r888s look at something like ast stuff or gaz golds
   Will be much better than the standard size spribg arrangement and torsion bars can be found on ebay same companys ive fitted in my pug as have a few other guys
7. jeffc Newbie Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 13

   #7 11th January 2012, 10:01

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AlexB Id get something better up front aswell for the car Is it a white vtr?? Sounds like craigs one that was for sale Proper racing and r888s look at something like ast stuff or gaz golds Will be much better than the standard size spribg arrangement and torsion bars can be found on ebay same companys ive fitted in my pug as have a few other guys

   yep thats the car,Im not new to racing and tracking cars but I am new to saxos so any help is appreciated, the car seems to go well enough in a straight line and tbh I havnt tried it in on a circuit but I know its too low for what i will be doing in it.
   
   I had a look on ebay for uprated torsion bars but couldnt find anything, can you post a link to the company you bought your s from to give me an idea what I need to budget on.
   
   thanks.
8. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #8 11th January 2012, 10:09

   Ill try find a link for you fella theres been a few group buys on here from them
   My set i bought off a friend hed bought them in a group buy so i never dealt direct to the company
   
   Nice purchase i remember the car from when i first joined hes got a thread on here for it if your interested in its past?
9. jeffc Newbie Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 13

   #9 11th January 2012, 12:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AlexB Ill try find a link for you fella theres been a few group buys on here from them My set i bought off a friend hed bought them in a group buy so i never dealt direct to the company Nice purchase i remember the car from when i first joined hes got a thread on here for it if your interested in its past?

   thanks that would be great if you could find a link
   
   and yes I had a good read of the thread on here before I bought the car and have kept in touch with craig for some techy input since, also on the look out for a Quaife gearset if there is a bulk buy going on!
10. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #10 11th January 2012, 16:08

    The set up that i went for ( Note tested yet ) is
    
    Race refurbed Bilstein front and rear ,
    with eibach 350 lb front coil overs spring up front and probably the Pug1off.com torsion bars 21-23mm and antiroll bar ( That is when i get aroubd to order them )
    
    A lot of people use this type of set up here as end result - moneywise is really good
    
    Alex
11. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #11 11th January 2012, 16:52

    you can get torsion bars and arb's from here
    http://www.shop.pug1off.com/index.php/cPath/35_87
    
    they can make any size bar you want
12. user_54826 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2011 Patras Greece Posts: 352 Ford Focus 2.5 ST Citroen Saxo Vts 16v race car

    #12 11th January 2012, 16:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffchiz you can get torsion bars and arb's from here http://www.shop.pug1off.com/index.php/cPath/35_87 they can make any size bar you want

    Those are the ones i was reffering at
13. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #13 11th January 2012, 17:04

    There's usually a group buy on 106 Rallye Register for bigger torsion bars - much cheaper than £324.

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14. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #14 11th January 2012, 18:01

    Iirc pug 1 off are supplied by the company i mentioned
    
    and most people pay around 200 from him
    I got mine for 190 still in the wrapping for postage
15. Jon_Doe Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bathford.com Posts: 319 Saxo VTS Mk1

    #15 11th January 2012, 19:40

    Where will you be racing?
16. jeffc Newbie Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 13

    #16 11th January 2012, 20:23

    thanks for the input so far much appreciated .
    
    I spoke to the guy at GMC, seems to be a very knowledgeable guy and spent a fair bit of time on the phone to me discussing various options
    
    Joe, I will be racing the car in the Northern Saloons class D.
17. Jon_Doe Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2007 Bathford.com Posts: 319 Saxo VTS Mk1

    #17 11th January 2012, 20:26

    Cool, good luck!