Important! : Help need a little info

1. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #1 14th January 2012, 20:54

   im currently in the middle of making my car better and now the head gasket is gone so im taking this as a perfect chance to paint and clean up my engine bay.
   
   BUT i wanted to know what is the best engine to swap my 1.1 spi for? i was thinking of a 1.6 bottom end inlet and tb with 1.4 head?
   
   would this work if i get it from the same year car and same plug ?
   
   i do have all the correct suspension and brakes just need to know bout the engine as i would like to change it and make a sleeper
   
   cheers jay
2. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #2 14th January 2012, 20:57

   why the mix and match of engine parts? a 1.4 head on a 1.6 bottom end is going to be like you trying to breathe through a polythene bag, the valves in 1.4 heads are smaller then the 1.6 so that's a backward step, just get a full 1.6 engine
3. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #3 14th January 2012, 21:00

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mandyslover70 why the mix and match of engine parts? a 1.4 head on a 1.6 bottom end is going to be like you trying to breathe through a polythene bag, the valves in 1.4 heads are smaller then the 1.6 so that's a backward step, just get a full 1.6 engine

   the reason why the mix and match is i heard it from a mate of a mate and he said his car flew! so i was just wondering if it would work!
4. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #4 14th January 2012, 21:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jayline the reason why the mix and match is i heard it from a mate of a mate and he said his car flew! so i was just wondering if it would work!

   He was bullshitting you.
   
   The best engine to swap yours for is obviously the 1.6 16v from a VTS.
   
   It's not just the engine though, you will need most of the VTS parts.
   
   More of a ballache than it's worth from a 1.1 in my opinion though.
5. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

   #5 14th January 2012, 21:08

   devil speaks the truth, with the price of vts cars these days you've got to be really into the car to consider a conversion, and thats coming from someone who makes money doing them!
6. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #6 14th January 2012, 21:09

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   Originally Posted by devilsadvocate He was bullshitting you. The best engine to swap yours for is obviously the 1.6 16v from a VTS. It's not just the engine though, you will need most of the VTS parts. More of a ballache than it's worth from a 1.1 in my opinion though.

   i did think that, i would do a 16v conversion but its what everyone does and i want to be a bit different! so now im thinking of a 1.4 engine with 1.6 inlet?
   
   would this be a simple swap? i know i need an unlocked ecu and full suspension!
7. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

   #7 14th January 2012, 21:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by mandyslover70 devil speaks the truth, with the price of vts cars these days you've got to be really into the car to consider a conversion, and thats coming from someone who makes money doing them!

   i completely agree with you, i do have a fair bit of knowledge with saxos and i am going to be doing my four stud conversion soon! i always say " best way of learning is by doing" and i always have a haynes manual to hand when i need it lol
8. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

   #8 14th January 2012, 21:12

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   Originally Posted by jayline i did think that, i would do a 16v conversion but its what everyone does and i want to be a bit different! so now im thinking of a 1.4 engine with 1.6 inlet? would this be a simple swap? i know i need an unlocked ecu and full suspension!

   Fucking about with engines it not going to give you enough noticeable power to justify the expensive. I would imagine the inlets are spaced differently so would need the head drilling to get it to fit?
   
   Either stay with the 1.1 and buy a VTR/VTS or get one of those engines put in (plus the other parts) the start performance modding...i.e full exhaust with decat, manifold and enclosed induction kit would be a start but even though are not going to give you 'fuck me this is immense' power.
9. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

   #9 14th January 2012, 21:12

   I was in the same train of thought before Christmas, I had a 1.1 desire, now I have a vts, much less hassle lol!
10. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #10 14th January 2012, 21:15

    You dont want to do a 16V but a 1.4 or vtr conversion because you want to be different hahaha lol!
11. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #11 14th January 2012, 21:15

    got a mint furio engine with unlocked ecu etc here, only removed for an S conversion if its any good to you
12. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #12 14th January 2012, 21:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Fucking about with engines it not going to give you enough noticeable power to justify the expensive. I would imagine the inlets are spaced differently so would need the head drilling to get it to fit? Either stay with the 1.1 and buy a VTR/VTS or get one of those engines put in (plus the other parts) the start performance modding...i.e full exhaust with decat, manifold and enclosed induction kit would be a start but even though are not going to give you 'fuck me this is immense' power.

    haha thanks for the advice, think ill 1.6 8v it tbh! what gearbox would you recommend? and i notice your local to me in kent?
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NismoSteve I was in the same train of thought before Christmas, I had a 1.1 desire, now I have a vts, much less hassle lol!

    im guessing it was a good decision, i would go straight for a vts but insurance will be a killer and i wanted to build a car up from scratch to feel like ive achieved alot
13. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #13 14th January 2012, 21:17

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    Originally Posted by Cam You dont want to do a 16V but a 1.4 or vtr conversion because you want to be different hahaha lol!

    well i mean everyone is 16v there cars and i want to tune a 8v and see what happens, i know it wont be alot of power but it be alot more responsive than a 1.1
14. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #14 14th January 2012, 21:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 got a mint furio engine with unlocked ecu etc here, only removed for an S conversion if its any good to you

    bit far for me to collect and is it a mk1 ?
15. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #15 14th January 2012, 21:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jayline bit far for me to collect and is it a mk1 ?

    its single plug so all is good there and i'm in canterbury every other weekend at the mo lol, devil has just made the trip for his engine,think of it as a road trip!
16. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #16 14th January 2012, 21:21

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    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 its single plug so all is good there and i'm in canterbury every other weekend at the mo lol, devil has just made the trip for his engine,think of it as a road trip!

    fair play and i would love to drive up there but ive just failed my test 4 days ago so waiting to do a retest!
17. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #17 14th January 2012, 21:22

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    Originally Posted by jayline haha thanks for the advice, think ill 1.6 8v it tbh! what gearbox would you recommend? and i notice your local to me in kent?

    Gearboxes arn't my strong point but I think the VTS box would be better on a VTR engine if im correct?
    
    Jason (Mandyslover ) would be able to do the conversion for you, drop it off to him and pick it up complete
    
    Haha actually I grew up in Herne Bay, my family are from there!

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18. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #18 14th January 2012, 21:23

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    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Gearboxes arn't my strong point but I think the VTS box would be better on a VTR engine if im correct? Jason (Mandyslover ) would be able to do the conversion for you, drop it off to him and pick it up complete Haha actually I grew up in Herne Bay, my family are from there!

    ok, well im thinking of doing the conversion myself to save on costs and to get a bit of knowledge behind me
    
    its an ok place but can be annoying at some times lol
19. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #19 14th January 2012, 21:31

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    Originally Posted by jayline ok, well im thinking of doing the conversion myself to save on costs and to get a bit of knowledge behind me its an ok place but can be annoying at some times lol

    Ahhh well find yourself a low mileage engine and get a haynes manual as a start.
    
    Have an extensive search on here as most conversion questions have been covered many times.
    
    Yeah my parents moved us to Dover when I was 10, hardly an improvement lol
    
    Luckily Maidstone is awesome
20. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #20 14th January 2012, 21:34

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    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Ahhh well find yourself a low mileage engine and get a haynes manual as a start. Have an extensive search on here as most conversion questions have been covered many times. Yeah my parents moved us to Dover when I was 10, hardly an improvement lol Luckily Maidstone is awesome

    yh well im ebaying atm, and i have already bought a haynes
    
    yh i have spent a good year looking at peoples threads and questions and now decided to join in and also start my own progress thread
    
    oo nice, maidstone is great i went to college in a town called hadlow just outside maidstone!
21. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #21 14th January 2012, 21:37

    if you want low mileage then it may be worth looking into a jp4 from a xsara or c2, bit more work but leaves you with a newer engine and less leaky cam covers lol
22. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #22 14th January 2012, 21:41

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    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 if you want low mileage then it may be worth looking into a jp4 from a xsara or c2, bit more work but leaves you with a newer engine and less leaky cam covers lol

    that is a good idea, i didnt want to go 16v but i might have to!! what gearbox would you guys recommend for a vtr engine?
23. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #23 14th January 2012, 21:43

    just found a vts for 350? good donor i recon!
    
    http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...-saxo/94573685
24. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #24 14th January 2012, 21:44

    S or 1.1 box
25. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #25 14th January 2012, 21:45

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    Originally Posted by jayline just found a vts for 350? good donor i recon! http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-m...-saxo/94573685

    No mention of mileage or history, don't just buy something because its cheap mate.
    
    Have a look in the for sale section on here.
    
    As Jason said above, look for a J4 if you can find one with low miles.
26. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #26 14th January 2012, 21:47

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    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate No mention of mileage or history, don't just buy something because its cheap mate. Have a look in the for sale section on here. As Jason said above, look for a J4 if you can find one with low miles.

    cheers mate will do, i get paid friday so ill deffo be spending £15
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 S or 1.1 box

    ill stick to the 1.1 box i have atm then! cheers guys
27. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #27 14th January 2012, 21:48

    Tenner if you don't want the stickers
28. NismoSteve Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2011 Thorne+Grimsby Posts: 717 S2GTi / Megane cc

    #28 14th January 2012, 22:18

    I figured the vts would be the best starting point really, all the basics are covered that way. I'll spend the first half of this year getting it up to a good standard handling, braking and bodywork wise, then the later half gathering parts for a turbo conversion.
29. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #29 14th January 2012, 22:41

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by devilsadvocate Tenner if you don't want the stickers

    i deffo want the stickers
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NismoSteve I figured the vts would be the best starting point really, all the basics are covered that way. I'll spend the first half of this year getting it up to a good standard handling, braking and bodywork wise, then the later half gathering parts for a turbo conversion.

    fair play, im doing that atm! read my thread, im doing all the basics handling, braking and bodywork first! so i'll have great fun with the 1.1 engine till i convert it
30. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #30 15th January 2012, 19:57

    UPDATE: i have found a blacktop vtr engine loom and ecu for cheap! so just enquiring into it so mite hopefully have a 1.6 conversion
31. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #31 15th January 2012, 20:02

    blacktop are cracking little engines!!
32. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #32 15th January 2012, 20:07

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    Originally Posted by mandyslover70 blacktop are cracking little engines!!

    I`ll second that they`ll go on for ages if treated correctly.
33. user_52335 Banned Joined: May 2011 north london Posts: 1618 mk1 flat arch

    #33 15th January 2012, 20:59

    then its offical ill have a lil sleeper with a crackin' engine with a little work from mandyslover