50mm or 60mm?

1. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

   #1 15th January 2012, 14:26

   Mk2 vtr with vts wheels..thinking 50mm or 60mm lowering springs?
   And would there be any issues? Heard stuff about bending the PAS pipe?
   
   Thanks
2. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

   #2 15th January 2012, 15:28

   you wont have any issues that i can think of, as for PAS pipe, take it off the mk1 and fit it to yours.
3. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

   #3 15th January 2012, 17:31

   i just got told the problem with PAS pipe was only on the mk1 ?
4. Goose Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Newcastle Posts: 526 BMW E46 Touring Breaking VTS

   #4 15th January 2012, 17:35

   Your steering rack wont like it.
5. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

   #5 15th January 2012, 17:38

   in what way
6. Goose Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Newcastle Posts: 526 BMW E46 Touring Breaking VTS

   #6 15th January 2012, 17:53

   Puts them under alot of strain... they dont sit properly if too low, the steering arms or whatever bow down.
7. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

   #7 15th January 2012, 18:05

   right .. 50mm would be ok though ? lol
8. Goose Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Newcastle Posts: 526 BMW E46 Touring Breaking VTS

   #8 15th January 2012, 18:06

   No idea mate lol... just know if you go too low its v bad.
9. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

   #9 15th January 2012, 18:08

   lol i got told 50mm would be fine on the mk2, 60mm+ is when you can get problems,
   and the mk2 has differnt pas pipe then the mk1 so mk1's just bend the pipe,
10. kyle4256 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 dundee Posts: 1844 saxo vts

    #10 15th January 2012, 18:12

    I'm running 50mm with no problems at all and my sister is down60mm with no problems either
11. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #11 15th January 2012, 18:25

    what springs? Eibach?
    
    and did u upgrade dampers? or leave standard mate?
12. Saxovch22 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Scotland Posts: 1191 02 Saxo Vts

    #12 15th January 2012, 18:50

    Always upgrade dampers if going lower than 40mm
13. user_36879 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Ascot Posts: 4619 Mint 106 rallye, Saxo VTR

    #13 15th January 2012, 19:00

    Ive always thought 60mm is way to low!
14. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #14 15th January 2012, 19:05

    How much abouts would it be for dampers + 50mm springs?
15. kyle4256 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 dundee Posts: 1844 saxo vts

    #15 17th January 2012, 08:29

    my car has uprated shocks always uprate them when your goin lowerer or you will get rattly struts, my sisters however is lowered by 60mm without uprated dampers and hers only makes rattly noise on cobbled roads.
    
    the suspension kit im using ive nevr had any problems at all here is the link to where i bought it its apex 50mm
    
    http://www.kamracing.co.uk/citroen/c...saxo-50mm.html
16. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #16 17th January 2012, 12:56

    id uprate the shocks personally past 40mm
    
    60mm is fine, i had mine at 60mm then at 75mm on coilovers and didnt have any wear problems
    
    its mk2's btw which have longer pas pipes compared with mk1's. just bend your mk2 pipe with a metal pole
17. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #17 17th January 2012, 18:38

    Uhh.. Don't know what to do, I want the car atleast 50mm,but don't wanna spend to much money tbh..
    
    So simply .. If I got apex/eibach 50mm springs with standard shocks.. Will it be ok? And if the shocks fuxked up I could just upgrade them then..?
18. user_36879 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 Ascot Posts: 4619 Mint 106 rallye, Saxo VTR

    #18 17th January 2012, 18:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DarylCooper Uhh.. Don't know what to do, I want the car atleast 50mm,but don't wanna spend to much money tbh.. So simply .. If I got apex/eibach 50mm springs with standard shocks.. Will it be ok? And if the shocks fuxked up I could just upgrade them then..?

    Well the shock will only last like a year if that and will be a shit ride!
    
    Mate if your going to go 50/60mm you might as well do it properly and get the shocks
19. tomnelson Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2010 coalville Posts: 711 project flat arch

    #19 17th January 2012, 19:25

    mines 70mm lower and has been for the last year and the only problem i had was the high pressure power steering pipe had to be bent up slightly. and it doesnt put any strain on the rack just the ball joint at the end which can take it as thats what ball joints are for to take up a large degree of movement.
20. Sam_W L-plater Joined: Jan 2012 Taunton, Somerset Posts: 30 Phase 2 VTR Silver Phase 2 Furio Blue

    #20 17th January 2012, 19:30

    I got 60mm on standard dampers, absoultely fine no problems
21. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #21 17th January 2012, 19:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomnelson mines 70mm lower and has been for the last year and the only problem i had was the high pressure power steering pipe had to be bent up slightly. and it doesnt put any strain on the rack just the ball joint at the end which can take it as thats what ball joints are for to take up a large degree of movement.

    Mk1 or mk2? As I got told the mk2 had an improved pas pipe wich was higher up and out of the way.
22. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

    #22 17th January 2012, 20:41

    hmmmmmm
23. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #23 17th January 2012, 20:49

    Mmm thinking 60mm then
24. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #24 17th January 2012, 23:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DarylCooper Mk1 or mk2? As I got told the mk2 had an improved pas pipe wich was higher up and out of the way.

    i dont think thats true mate, its not like citroen took into consideration everyone would lower them lol
    
    the pipe on my mk1 is really short and out the way, i went down to 75mm on the front with coilovers and it never scraped it.
    now im down 90mm on the front however and it did touch it so i had to move it out the way.
    
    mk2 pipes are longer and more in the way apparently so need bending out the way alot sooner than mk1's
25. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #25 18th January 2012, 07:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak i dont think thats true mate, its not like citroen took into consideration everyone would lower them lol the pipe on my mk1 is really short and out the way, i went down to 75mm on the front with coilovers and it never scraped it. now im down 90mm on the front however and it did touch it so i had to move it out the way. mk2 pipes are longer and more in the way apparently so need bending out the way alot sooner than mk1's

    
    Right ok, I think it was willsy that told me about the pipe though, never mind if not not hard to bend it I guess
26. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #26 18th January 2012, 11:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DarylCooper Mk1 or mk2? As I got told the mk2 had an improved pas pipe wich was higher up and out of the way.

    your getting confused its the mk2's that have the annoying PAS pipes
    
    this is why everyone should buy mk1's not gay mk2's
27. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #27 18th January 2012, 13:00

    Mk1's look old and tatty and is hard to find a decent one
28. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #28 18th January 2012, 13:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DarylCooper Mk1's look old and tatty and is hard to find a decent one

    Gee thanks lol
    
    i would like to think my mk1 doesnt look too 'old and tatty'
29. DarylCooper Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Crewe, Cheshire Posts: 178 VTRs, had - 106 quicksilver, tranny van.punto.106.

    #29 18th January 2012, 16:35

    I just don't like the front end tbh.. Bonnet/grill lights looks weird
    Just like I don't like the hold golfs for the same reason.
    
    Yours is one of the nicest I've seen though.. (push ya ego back up)