'Natural' camber? UPDATE with pic

1. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #1 22nd January 2012, 22:12

   when you take a golf or something german really low down, they get natural camber. Obviously the rear of a saxo cant have camber, but if you drop a saxo to the floor, does the front have more camber than normal?
   standard top mounts?
2. JoshFurioBrookes Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2011 Chelmsford Essex Posts: 822 Silver 6n2 Polo

   #2 22nd January 2012, 22:19

   Out of everyone on here, I think you would be the person to know!

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3. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #3 22nd January 2012, 22:44

   haha! the reason i ask is that i just cant remember how much camber the front had before i started going silly!
   
   now everytime i look at it, i notice the front does have slight negative camber but im not sure if its already like that to begin with lol
4. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

   #4 22nd January 2012, 22:47

   Yes it will, just depends how good the lateral contact patch is on a saxo. i would expect not good, so yes

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5. user_10801 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Jul 2006 Somewhere nicer than you Posts: 32356 S2 Exige 240S, CLS63 AMG, Freelander

   #5 22nd January 2012, 22:48

   Why can't the rear have camber?
6. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #6 22nd January 2012, 22:56

   has torsion bars
7. Paul_JC Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Corby, Northants Posts: 647 Darkside ;) Corsa 1.2 16v

   #7 22nd January 2012, 23:04

   yes front of the saxo does camber on drop. when we drop jodies car you can see the front pulling in. all because the mcpherson strut doesnt sit 100% vertical
8. Simon0014 Established Member Joined: Aug 2010 Chippenham/Bristol Posts: 1892 1962 Austin Mini, BMW 330ci

   #8 22nd January 2012, 23:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LSOfreak has torsion bars

   So the wheels don't tuck in like other cars. The trailing arms just pivot if that makes sense opposed to 'tucking in'
9. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #9 22nd January 2012, 23:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Paul_JC yes front of the saxo does camber on drop. when we drop jodies car you can see the front pulling in. all because the mcpherson strut doesnt sit 100% vertical

   
   ahh that makes sense, thanks
10. Paul_JC Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Corby, Northants Posts: 647 Darkside ;) Corsa 1.2 16v

    #10 22nd January 2012, 23:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Simon0014 So the wheels don't tuck in like other cars. The trailing arms just pivot if that makes sense opposed to 'tucking in'

    you usually find that the cars that camber on the rear naturally done have a fixed beam they usually have independent rear trailing arms.
11. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #11 22nd January 2012, 23:08

    the strut angling in is the steering inclination
12. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #12 22nd January 2012, 23:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Paul_JC you usually find that the cars that camber on the rear naturally done have a fixed beam they usually have independent rear trailing arms.

    did jodies saxo have any cutting /grinding done to it?
13. Paul_JC Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Corby, Northants Posts: 647 Darkside ;) Corsa 1.2 16v

    #13 22nd January 2012, 23:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LSOfreak did jodies saxo have any cutting /grinding done to it?

    Im guessing you mean for getting low? if so then no nothing as of yet
14. saxo_singh Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 4289 02 VTR'd Furio, 07 Audi A4 Avant S Line

    #14 22nd January 2012, 23:35

    My front wheels have cambered since going lower, they are now like... /---\ but its not that bad.
    The back wheels I'm working on a something at the moment were you can camber the wheels, something I picked up of my cousin who cambered his polo rear wheels using washers.
15. Paul_JC Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Corby, Northants Posts: 647 Darkside ;) Corsa 1.2 16v

    #15 22nd January 2012, 23:58

    it'll take more than washer to camber the rear of a saxo, alot of work and not worth it
16. user_39821 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2009 Uckfield, East Sussex Posts: 3362 Citroen saxo 1.4 furio

    #16 23rd January 2012, 00:00

    the rear beam is all fixed in the same plane. Washers can't change that
17. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #17 23rd January 2012, 00:05

    wouldnt any kind of washer/spacer/shim just make it sit wider lol?
18. A_Whit Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2010 Ilkley Posts: 119 citroen c2 vts

    #18 23rd January 2012, 01:51

    If you put something like that on it woul have positive camber at one half rotation then negative at the other half rotation the wheels would look like they're about to fall off!
19. blackvtrt Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Newcastle/ Billingham Posts: 1873 02 Gold Cleaned OEM+ VTR

    #19 23rd January 2012, 03:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_singh My front wheels have cambered since going lower, they are now like... /---\ but its not that bad. The back wheels I'm working on a something at the moment were you can camber the wheels, something I picked up of my cousin who cambered his polo rear wheels using washers.

    bit off topic, but ur on about camber shims, can't be done on a saxo
20. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #20 23rd January 2012, 20:35

    got my tracking done today as it was way off.
    turns out i have 1.06 degrees on the left and 1.18 degrees of negative camber on the right. And it appears standard is about 0.12 degrees but the dude said from what he see's, it varies from car to car
    
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    right
    
    
    cheers for the input guys
21. CJMackin Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 342

    #21 23rd January 2012, 20:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by A_Whit If you put something like that on it woul have positive camber at one half rotation then negative at the other half rotation the wheels would look like they're about to fall off!

    i doubt he means on the wheel bolts lol.
    
    Works on the hubs of corsas for example, washers behind the two bottom hub bolts = camber
22. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #22 25th January 2012, 11:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_singh My front wheels have cambered since going lower, they are now like... /---\ but its not that bad. The back wheels I'm working on a something at the moment were you can camber the wheels, something I picked up of my cousin who cambered his polo rear wheels using washers.

    No the best idea to use washers to do that.