rounded nuts bolts etc etc :)

1. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

   #1 31st January 2012, 20:05

   ok people...this is making simple tasks a pain in my fucking arse !! cant get front pipe off cause of it... cant even get manifold heat shield off cause of it... cant get a nut of spark plugs section cause of it.....what tools do i need to do the job please !!!
   
   I currently have got
   
   
   5 screw type things that when you screw in and unscrew them reverse thread makes the thing come out... i also got nut extractor things u know like a towing eye and it has a sharp tool that goes through the middle...also got me wd40 n host of sockets spanners ... any1 really experienced with this type of crap and give me best practise.
2. danny-vts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2010 Chesterfield/Nottingham Posts: 7147 dead vts. twisted 106 gti. '03' vtrrrr

   #2 31st January 2012, 20:15

   if its a rounded nut or bolt, smack a smaller socket over it ( 1 or 2 sizes down ).
   if its a rounded torx screw, smack a bigger torx bit into it.
3. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #3 31st January 2012, 20:49

   With a rounded off bolt/nut you can either get a file on them & go around the edges so it resembles a nut/bolt again.Or with a bolt cut a a slot in the top & use a screwdriver on it.
4. BertieG Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 exeter, devon Posts: 1224 Clio 172

   #4 31st January 2012, 21:00

   hammer and chisel is a favourite of mine
5. BertieG Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 exeter, devon Posts: 1224 Clio 172

   #5 31st January 2012, 21:02

   although the best type of tool for the job would be something like this
   
   http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0031R7HFA/...SIN=B0031R7HFA
6. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

   #6 31st January 2012, 21:05

   its CITREON ENIT :| NONE OF IT IS NORMAL SIZES LIKE 10MM 11MM AM I RIGHT ??? SUMP....what is required anyone know anywhere i can find a list of what sizes i need ive went out buying useless tools by looks of it i bet most shit is imperial isnt it ?
7. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #7 31st January 2012, 21:13

   depends on the situation, theres various methods for removing seized/rounded off bolts.
   
   Sometimes smacking a bigger socket, or an extractor set works, sometimes it doesnt.
   
   you can get a punch and hammer a small dent into the head, then try and tap it in the direction to turn it out.
   
   Or sometimes you have to drill the head of, or sometime even drill through the whole bolt iteself and retap a new thread.
   
   I always find it handy to have a metal cutting dremel or angle grinder to hand also.
   A dremel can be used to either cut the bolt off, or you can use it to shape 2 straight edges on the bolt so you can get a spanner on it
8. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

   #8 31st January 2012, 21:15

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by darrenh84 its CITREON ENIT :| NONE OF IT IS NORMAL SIZES LIKE 10MM 11MM AM I RIGHT ??? SUMP....what is required anyone know anywhere i can find a list of what sizes i need ive went out buying useless tools by looks of it i bet most shit is imperial isnt it ?

   sump takes an 8mm square cut key
   
   most of the sizes for everything are normal though
   You can probably dismantle nearly a whole saxo with a torx set, 10mm and 13mm socket lol
9. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

   #9 31st January 2012, 21:51

   no.....removing sump from engine bay......giv example....
   
   the nuts holding on the manifold cover are not a normal mm....
   
   the stud things holding the front pipe to top of the manifold which im trying to remove...again not a normal mm thing....
   
   is everything imperial , its really annoying me.....
   
   i cant get sump off, i cant get exhaust front pipe off, i cant get spark plug cover off all are imperial sizes or something and all of them have at least 1 friggin thing rounded or wont come off...really annoying me cause i cant drive my car cause this shit...haynes manual dont say what is used and i just need to get the right tools any help appreciated
10. BertieG Established Member Joined: Oct 2009 exeter, devon Posts: 1224 Clio 172

    #10 31st January 2012, 22:04

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenh84 no.....removing sump from engine bay......giv example.... the nuts holding on the manifold cover are not a normal mm.... the stud things holding the front pipe to top of the manifold which im trying to remove...again not a normal mm thing.... is everything imperial , its really annoying me..... i cant get sump off, i cant get exhaust front pipe off, i cant get spark plug cover off all are imperial sizes or something and all of them have at least 1 friggin thing rounded or wont come off...really annoying me cause i cant drive my car cause this shit...haynes manual dont say what is used and i just need to get the right tools any help appreciated

    exhaust heat shield bolts are 10mm, manifold to downpipe bolts are 13mm. i did it just yesterday!
11. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

    #11 31st January 2012, 22:07

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BertieG exhaust heat shield bolts are 10mm, manifold to downpipe bolts are 13mm. i did it just yesterday!

    agreed, you must be using some shit sockets/spanners if you can't get anything to fit, no wonder everything has rounded off lol
12. Tontsy Saxperience Addict Joined: Oct 2008 Plymouth, Fiddling - under a two poster ramp Posts: 14064 Audi

    #12 31st January 2012, 22:10

    oxyacetylene
13. billy-vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 103 Saxo vts :)

    #13 31st January 2012, 22:13

    a little tip, when coming to a torx bit or allen key bolt, get a hammer and extension socket and place flat end of extension on bolt end and nok with hammer, usually does the trick.
14. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #14 31st January 2012, 22:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Baz agreed, you must be using some shit sockets/spanners if you can't get anything to fit, no wonder everything has rounded off lol

    lol
    
    Darren, they change in size slightly when they get really old and corroded. Especially on the exhaust system where it constantly gets hot and cold
15. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

    #15 31st January 2012, 22:18

    dont work tried
16. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

    #16 31st January 2012, 22:28

    im gonna fuckin kick my car , proper annoying me now. even on brakes fuck all fitted but Imperial sizes ...10mm and 13mm dont do trick tried them and everyhting else, hex sockets, spanners and even bough the extra grip ones that can do 6 types hex,torx,square etc none my flippin sockets budging the crap
17. Cam Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Nov 2010 Kent Posts: 8439 Gen 7 Celica 190.

    #17 31st January 2012, 22:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenh84 im gonna fuckin kick my car , proper annoying me now. even on brakes fuck all fitted but Imperial sizes ...10mm and 13mm dont do trick tried them and everyhting else, hex sockets, spanners and even bough the extra grip ones that can do 6 types hex,torx,square etc none my flippin sockets budging the crap

    Sounds like a game my car likes playing.....
18. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #18 31st January 2012, 22:31

    there are no, i repeat,no imperial fasteners on a saxo! google detcord, that may help, i've not seen a bolt yet that won't shift with that stuff. so much more effective then spanners and wd40
19. darrenh84 Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 Bilston Posts: 366 Saxo vts 2002 Bravo 1.8 hlx 2001

    #19 31st January 2012, 22:38

    really wow whats your address and i will try detcord on your house first x
20. Baz Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2005 Coventry Posts: 17782 Fiesta ST150

    #20 31st January 2012, 22:45

    are you using hex sockets or ones that have like 3billion sides? if so....just use hex sockets, probs why everythings rounding off
21. devilsadvocate Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2006 Maidstone Posts: 8210 Golf TDI

    #21 1st February 2012, 07:20

    You could almost take a saxo to bits with a standard socket/spanner set (including some deep sockets) and some torx bits.
    
    Most of it seems to be 8-16mm.
    
    Rounded nuts/bolts depends on how much room you have and whether they are in a recess.
    
    A bolt with a nut which sticks out and has loads of roomround it will be easier to get off than a rounded off screw which is sunk in for example.
    
    Easiest ways are:
    
    Bigger torx bit bashed into the hole
    Hammer and chisel
    Drill it out
    Screw extractor
22. chinkostu Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 The wrong carpark Posts: 5152 Xantia 1.9TD

    #22 1st February 2012, 10:26

    as has been said, its all 10mm, 13mm and torx bits! wishbone bolts are 17/18mm, the ones for my brakes (to take the carrier off) are around 18mm??
    
    just use decent tools, and soak with penetrating fluid or they WILL round off. not had a nut round for a while, except droplinks as they are a cunt!
23. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #23 1st February 2012, 11:36

    Wire brushing on corroded nuts/bolts then soak with wd40,as does a tap with a hammer on a bolt because it jumps/frees up the thread.
24. billy-vts Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 103 Saxo vts :)

    #24 1st February 2012, 20:32

    get some adjustable long nose pliers on the go lmao get them on tight and give that ago. other than that a little heat and try your sockets again.
25. VTR_Bass87 Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2011 Bromsgrove Posts: 878 Golf GTi mk4, pug 206

    #25 1st February 2012, 20:37

    I had this problem the other day when changing my brake pads, the bolt was rounded off behind the caliper, had to take it to a garage to blast heat the fucker out.
26. mechsman Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2010 Bristol Posts: 906 Saxo 1.4i SX 3dr, 106 (engine swap under way), p

    #26 1st February 2012, 21:03

    Use decent tools, shit quality tools flex and f*ck things so fast. I've rarely had a bolt round off and I've taken plenty of stuff on my 3 cars apart. Saxos are all metric bolts etc. Also, I recommend reading the feature on penetrating sprays etc in this months Practical Performance Car mag.
    
    Might be worth trying cold shock treatment on hot exhaust bolts (cheapo way is to get a compressed air duster can, turn it upside down to get the cold effect and spray the bolt)
27. user_36198 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2009 ilkeston derbyshire Posts: 9823 C2 VTR stripped, 406hdi, clio 172

    #27 1st February 2012, 21:33

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darrenh84 really wow whats your address and i will try detcord on your house first x

    3rd caravan on the left as you enter Dale Farm, ask for any of the McGinty family and someone will point you in our direction.