Wheel Punctured

2nd February 2012, 21:15

Had a puncture the other day was a slow one so managed to get to a tyre place, sorted the puncture out for me but put some silver wheel weights on the inside of my newly powdercoated "black" alloys.
So as you can see this causes as problem as it looks so out of place they are vts alloys can i move them anywhere around the alloy and what do they usually glue them on with as i dont want a mark there.

2nd February 2012, 21:27

you cant just move the weights there at the point where they balance your wheel.and i think there stuck on with double sided tape.
i dont know ,but cant they put them on the inside so you cant see them

2nd February 2012, 21:29

Looks like im going to be getting a new tire then, looks so silly atm

2nd February 2012, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Had a puncture the other day was a slow one so managed to get to a tyre place, sorted the puncture out for me but put some silver wheel weights on the inside of my newly powdercoated "black" alloys.
So as you can see this causes as problem as it looks so out of place they are vts alloys can i move them anywhere around the alloy and what do they usually glue them on with as i dont want a mark there.

Don`t move the weights just give them a lick of hammerite mate.

2nd February 2012, 21:59

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Originally Posted by stevo67

Don`t move the weights just give them a lick of hammerite mate.

Hmm this could work still look silly as no other wheel has them but atleast they will be hidden.

Thanks

2nd February 2012, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by marrygold

you cant just move the weights there at the point where they balance your wheel.and i think there stuck on with double sided tape.
i dont know ,but cant they put them on the inside so you cant see them

lol double sided tape - brilliant.

They are attached by hammering them over the rim. Next time, tell them to put them on the inside..

2nd February 2012, 22:13

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Originally Posted by saxova

lol double sided tape - brilliant.

They are attached by hammering them over the rim. Next time, tell them to put them on the inside..

The majority of wheel weights are stuck on

2nd February 2012, 22:13

ahh, unlucky or lucky that i've only seen the hammer on ones lol.

2nd February 2012, 22:18

Just went outside it's tape thank god they come off easy although will have to get some adhesive remover

2nd February 2012, 22:20

So now your wheels will shake when driving lol.

2nd February 2012, 22:24

Will be getting new tire or hammerite but will have to see

Edit i see what i did, it looked like i basically said i took them off now just need adhesive remover.
They still on until new tire or hammerite

2nd February 2012, 23:28

Don't know if i'm missing something but why do you need a new tyre can't you just go get it re-balanced and ask them to put the weights on the other side?

2nd February 2012, 23:30

you get a new tyre, they will stick them back on.

do you not understand they are there for a reason? the best you can do, is ask for them to be "static" and then they stick them in the middle of the wheel rather than on the edge, but its still going to be visable, and may still cause wheel wobble.

just fucking accept it.

2nd February 2012, 23:35

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Originally Posted by adamskiTNR

The majority of wheel weights are stuck on

On alloys yes, usually on steel rims hammer on weights are used.

As said, they need to be there and they have to be in that certain place.

They're not glued on or double sided sticky taped on, they tyre fitter has to chew chewing gum everytime he fits a tyre to stick the weights on with.

2nd February 2012, 23:36

OP's an idiot.

you're buying a new tyre, which will need balancing, and new weights put on the same as before, and then you'll have the same problem.

instead of just putting a coat of black paint to cover them up...

2nd February 2012, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

On alloys yes, usually on steel rims hammer on weights are used.

As said, they need to be there and they have to be in that certain place.

They're not glued on or double sided sticky taped on, they tyre fitter has to chew chewing gum everytime he fits a tyre to stick the weights on with.

if you got a real good greeny brewing you can flem on them too!

2nd February 2012, 23:41

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Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Just went outside it's tape thank god they come off easy although will have to get some adhesive remover

WTF.

You have removed them?!

And you are going to get another tyre LOL. ALL tyres need balancing, maybe 1 out of 250 tyres of a decent brand don't need any weights at all, and that is very very rare.

So you are going to waste more money on another tyre and waste more money on having it fitted to have the weights put back on, maybe even more weights this time.

2nd February 2012, 23:42

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Originally Posted by Tontsy

if you got a real good greeny brewing you can flem on them too!

will try that next time

2nd February 2012, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

WTF.

You have removed them?!

And you are going to get another tyre LOL. ALL tyres need balancing, maybe 1 out of 250 tyres of a decent brand don't need any weights at all, and that is very very rare.

So you are going to waste more money on another tyre and waste more money on having it fitted to have the weights put back on, maybe even more weights this time.

tbf, on the thousands of tyres ive done i could say there was about 100 that have never needed any weights.
there are a few tricks, fitting the tyre in specific way to teh rim helps. but that takes effort and time to line it all up, fuck that. bish bash bosh, back on the car.

what is fun though, when people piss you off so you put like 120 grams on and their wheel wobbles like an epileptic having a fit

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

will try that next time

i got one comming now, i could put in a jar and send your way?

2nd February 2012, 23:47

I had a new yoko put on, tire gets punctured so needs rebalancing but surely if i was to put a brand new yoko on then i wouldnt need it to be balanced as its the same as before ?

This thread has made me look stupid on the way i have said things :@

2nd February 2012, 23:50

each tyre is different, hence each wheel needs balancing when a new tyre is fitted...

so now you've pulled the weights off, the wheel is now unbalanced.

2nd February 2012, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

I had a new yoko put on, tire gets punctured so needs rebalancing but surely if i was to put a brand new yoko on then i wouldnt need it to be balanced as its the same as before ?

seriously... im that stunned i dont think i can even contemplate thinking about a witty reply!
thats just made my night!

every tyre is different, they all have their own "heavy" point, which will need to be balanced out, resulting in the wheel needing weights.

1 in every 200 + tyres might get away with it, depening on fitting technique.

2nd February 2012, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Tontsy

tbf, on the thousands of tyres ive done i could say there was about 100 that have never needed any weights.
there are a few tricks, fitting the tyre in specific way to teh rim helps. but that takes effort and time to line it all up, fuck that. bish bash bosh, back on the car.

what is fun though, when people piss you off so you put like 120 grams on and their wheel wobbles like an epileptic having a fit

i got one comming now, i could put in a jar and send your way?

Takes the piss when you get them offroad tyres with the huge nobbles that need like 120g then another 120g then another lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

I had a new yoko put on, tire gets punctured so needs rebalancing but surely if i was to put a brand new yoko on then i wouldnt need it to be balanced as its the same as before ?

This thread has made me look stupid on the way i have said things :@

New or part worn it will need balancing. The tyre could be mounted and balanced, then dismounted and remounted and will need balancing again as it will be out of balance as its on the wheel in another position.

2nd February 2012, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Ashleyp

each tyre is different, hence each wheel needs balancing when a new tyre is fitted...

so now you've pulled the weights off, the wheel is now unbalanced.

I didnt. I lifted part up to see what was holding it on and put it straight back into original position i dont get no wheel wobble or anythink.

I thought tyres are made with the same mold, and the same way each one, as it happens i was watching "how its made" and it showed me the process.

2nd February 2012, 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tontsy

seriously... im that stunned i dont think i can even contemplate thinking about a witty reply!
thats just made my night!

every tyre is different, they all have their own "heavy" point, which will need to be balanced out, resulting in the wheel needing weights.

1 in every 200 + tyres might get away with it, depening on fitting technique.

And if they're of a good make, top of the range I find they need less weights!

2nd February 2012, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

I didnt. I lifted part up to see what was holding it on and put it straight back into original position i dont get no wheel wobble or anythink.

I thought tyres are made with the same mold, and the same way each one, as it happens i was watching "how its made" and it showed me the process.

so just paint them black and stop worrying lol.

always imperfections in the moulding process, thats life, and why wheels get balanced.

2nd February 2012, 23:54

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

New or part worn it will need balancing. The tyre could be mounted and balanced, then dismounted and remounted and will need balancing again as it will be out of balance as its on the wheel in another position.

I never realised i thought all new tyres would be the same weight

2nd February 2012, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

I didnt. I lifted part up to see what was holding it on and put it straight back into original position i dont get no wheel wobble or anythink.

I thought tyres are made with the same mold, and the same way each one, as it happens i was watching "how its made" and it showed me the process.

ok, yes same mould. so in theory they are identical BUT you would have to fit the heavy point on the new tyre in the exact same place at the tyre you removed.
the tread could be slighty more or less, the weight of the tyre could be more or less, this again will effect the balancing.

you can get away with taking a tyre off, and putting it back on again if its in the same place, to the same pressure, but its got to be pretty accurate.

2nd February 2012, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mochachino

And if they're of a good make, top of the range I find they need less weights!

because the general weight of the tyre is less, so it runs a truer circle with less effort.

cheaper the tyre, more cheaper products are used, resulting in it being heavier.
wheels effect alot too, id say 80% is due to the wheel and its condition.

2nd February 2012, 23:58

what i find strange, is i dont balance my bike wheels when i change tyres... and i dont get any issues. or if i get any feedback its minimal and not worth bothering about.

strange.

2nd February 2012, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tontsy

because the general weight of the tyre is less, so it runs a truer circle with less effort.

cheaper the tyre, more cheaper products are used, resulting in it being heavier.
wheels effect alot too, id say 80% is due to the wheel and its condition.

Them cunts that come back asking why their wheel is wobbling and make you balance it to find out it buckled.

2nd February 2012, 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tontsy

what i find strange, is i dont balance my bike wheels when i change tyres... and i dont get any issues. or if i get any feedback its minimal and not worth bothering about.

strange.

Must be a good greeny occasion.

3rd February 2012, 00:01

Well "How its made" does not tell you that every tire is different and basically thats where i was fed my info from, but now i know.

3rd February 2012, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Mochachino

Them cunts that come back asking why their wheel is wobbling and make you balance it to find out it buckled.

buckled rims are the best, if they are decent people ill bring them out, spin it up and show them the problem. explain. they tend to be fine with it.

but the annoying fucks, there is a problem fix it, ill be like yeah sure fine, its out by, most ive done was 540 grams! so i stuck the weights on, spun it up again lol anoter 50 and it said ok!

it must have been fucking horrid driving with it! i had to do it though, his attitude was sickening!

3rd February 2012, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Well "How its made" does not tell you that every tire is different and basically thats where i was fed my info from, but now i know.

i once watched a man fuck a child on TV . . . does that mean its right?

yes, the tyre will be the same, with MINIMAL difference, but those differences make a big result at the end.

3rd February 2012, 00:04

Am I right in thinking that the yellow or red spot on the tyre above the valve helps with having to use less weights. I should know this with doing them at work but normally cant be arsed to line them up and never got taught how to fit them propper.

3rd February 2012, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Bedford126

Am I right in thinking that the yellow or red spot on the tyre above the valve helps with having to use less weights. I should know this with doing them at work but normally cant be arsed to line them up and never got taught how to fit them propper.

yeah, it will reduce the amount of weights required but tbf most of the time by 5grams...and i dont even bother with 5 or 10. you wont notice it.

3rd February 2012, 00:06

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Originally Posted by Tontsy

i once watched a man fuck a child on TV . . . does that mean its right?

yes, the tyre will be the same, with MINIMAL difference, but those differences make a big result at the end.

That's abit different to a factual information giving programme tho.

What also put me off is that all my wheels never had weights on before but i assume they were balanced when powdercoating.

But as ive said before thanks again.

3rd February 2012, 00:08

powercoat weights next to fuck all, it wouldnt need balancing again afterwards.
you might find, before it had a "knock on" weight rather than "stick on" which would have been knocked onto the lip on the inside of the wheel which you wouldnt have seen.

thus can damage the alloy though.

3rd February 2012, 00:12

They defo never had any on im positive as they were on the outside lip of the rim before powdercoating when i got them back, none on either inside or out. Had no wheel wobble either, so not sure whats going on there lol

3rd February 2012, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

They defo never had any on im positive as they were on the outside lip of the rim before powdercoating when i got them back, none on either inside or out. Had no wheel wobble either, so not sure whats going on there lol

so they were removed when painted.
and never put back on.

you wont experience untill 70+ (in 90% of cases)

mine is slightly out in the Leon i get a very very slight shimmer through teh wheel between 92 and 95. before and after though, its fine.
dont forget, balancing machiens are calibrated to 70mph! so if you get wobble at 90 dont go back complaining lol.

3rd February 2012, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tontsy

so they were removed when painted.
and never put back on.

you wont experience untill 70+ (in 90% of cases)

mine is slightly out in the Leon i get a very very slight shimmer through teh wheel between 92 and 95. before and after though, its fine.
dont forget, balancing machiens are calibrated to 70mph! so if you get wobble at 90 dont go back complaining lol.

Well thank's for the help, made myself look like a idiot

Rearly do motorway driving so wouldnt be able to see when they wobble.
Your welcome for the Sig btw

3rd February 2012, 06:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Well thank's for the help, made myself look like a idiot

Rearly do motorway driving so wouldnt be able to see when they wobble.
Your welcome for the Sig btw

thanks for this thread mate. i needed a giggle tonight

3rd February 2012, 06:29

3rd February 2012, 09:07

Suppose any1 could of thought that a each wheel made would be the same tho.

3rd February 2012, 09:18

well funny thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Rearly do motorway driving so wouldnt be able to see when they wobble.

You won't see, but you'll feel the comfort. Just go above 45 mph...

3rd February 2012, 09:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Suppose any1 could of thought that a each wheel made would be the same tho.

thought it was common knowledge? damaged alloys are as bad, chunks missing make them lighter in patches, or shit build quality. i've had a couple of tyres on my VTR rims that haven't been balanced, one was fine, the rest were a bit wobbly so went on the back

4th February 2012, 00:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan_Wood

Just went outside it's tape thank god they come off easy although will have to get some adhesive remover

Dab of petrol does the trick

5th February 2012, 10:34

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Originally Posted by djmacka

Dab of petrol does the trick

Probably time to start reading the thread instead of posting your way into the for sale section