mk2 vtr calipers, fit a mk1 1.1i

1. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

   #1 26th February 2012, 19:42

   basically as title say , picked up a set of vtr mk2 calipers today, just wondering if they will fit my mk1 1.1i,
   
   if not anyone wanna buy em lol
2. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

   #2 26th February 2012, 19:43

   i did do a search but couldnt find my answer
3. iluminusbutterfly Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1461

   #3 26th February 2012, 19:46

   yes, they will, will need bigger disks though
4. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

   #4 26th February 2012, 19:48

   forgot to say mines is a 3 stud, if that makes a difference
5. iluminusbutterfly Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1461

   #5 26th February 2012, 20:07

   then they will fit, but they wont work because you wont get disks big enough on 3 stud fitment
6. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

   #6 26th February 2012, 20:13

   whats the biggest i can get for it? and what would i need for the vtr calipers?
7. iluminusbutterfly Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1461

   #7 26th February 2012, 20:20

   pritty much nothing, just put on 4 stud hubs
8. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

   #8 26th February 2012, 20:22

   id have to change the axle and front struts for that tho or can i just change hubs?
9. MrJames L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 32

   #9 26th February 2012, 20:28

   Couldn't you get the holes drilled in the correct place for 3 stud?
10. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

    #10 26th February 2012, 20:32

    no idea lol, just picked them up today for 20 quid, was planning to do a 4stud conversion at some point so might just keep them til then
11. Ben_SaxoForte Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2009 Stoke-on-trent Posts: 2640 Mk5 Golf GTTDI Mk2 VTR Project

    #11 26th February 2012, 20:33

    you can just change the hubs on the front but will need pressing in/out and you would need to change the rear axle for the rear, to be honest its not really worth bothering unless you have done a bigger engine conversion the standard brakes with good pads are more than enough
12. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

    #12 26th February 2012, 20:35

    might look at decent pads then as my brakes are absolute crap, any recommendations for pads for a 3 stud
13. iluminusbutterfly Established Member Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 1461

    #13 26th February 2012, 20:35

    no, on the rear drum you can just change the outer drum face, on the front you can just change the hub uprights, if you pick correctly, you wont even have to change the drive shafts
14. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

    #14 26th February 2012, 20:38

    good because ive just put a new driveshaft on it lol
15. kennym1987 Established Member Joined: Sep 2007 Armadale, West Lothian Posts: 1230 flatty 16v sleeper and a regular vts

    #15 28th February 2012, 12:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by iluminusbutterfly on the rear drum you can just change the outer drum face

    the pins are shorter on the 3 stud. they would need changed aswell
16. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #16 28th February 2012, 18:43

    Wow, this thread is chock full of shite.
    
    ANY Saxo 4 stud caliper will not bolt onto ANY Saxo 3 stud hub carrier. End of. Change the hubs in your 3 stud struts and suddenly there won't be a brake option on the planet that will fit. That's assuming the 3 stud bearings will even fit the 4 stud hubs.
    
    Changing the drums at the back is pikey - as pointed out the stub axles are different, not to mention the fact that 4 stud drums are a larger diameter than 3 stud ones (180mm plays 165mm) so your brake shoes will have a hard time finding anything to brake against!
    
    Lesson is, do it properly.

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17. andy1weir Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 162

    #17 28th February 2012, 20:35

    do it properly?? so ill have to change hubs and axle?? thats not too much of a problem, will just have to get some lol
18. citroen_saxo_vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Norwich Posts: 2823 Vectra sri 2.6 v6

    #18 29th February 2012, 00:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mikol Wow, this thread is chock full of shite. ANY Saxo 4 stud caliper will not bolt onto ANY Saxo 3 stud hub carrier. End of. Change the hubs in your 3 stud struts and suddenly there won't be a brake option on the planet that will fit. That's assuming the 3 stud bearings will even fit the 4 stud hubs. Changing the drums at the back is pikey - as pointed out the stub axles are different, not to mention the fact that 4 stud drums are a larger diameter than 3 stud ones (180mm plays 165mm) so your brake shoes will have a hard time finding anything to brake against! Lesson is, do it properly.

    Il argue about the drums, you just get the 4 stud shoes and drums job done but you have a good few choices on shoes.
19. Mikol Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Somewhere between Bedford and Brixworth Posts: 2373 106 XS 16v Driveway Ornament

    #19 29th February 2012, 10:14

    The 3 stud cylinders and backplates are smaller. So it's still a bit of a bodge.
    
    If you wanted, you could change the
    
    - Stub pins
    - Backplates
    - Cylinders
    - Shoes + springs
    - Drums
    
    But I'd ask yourself whether that's easier than 4 chunky bolts to remove the entire beam. I know I hate messing around with all the springs that lurk inside those drums!
    
    'Doing it properly' involves changing the entire front struts and the rear beam. Then you can get one nice reg number for all the spare parts you'll ever need, instead of building some hybrid monster and forgetting which parts came from which car next time your wheel bearing explodes.