car wont start!!!!!!

  1. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #1
    removed rocker cover and now it wont start, i never removed coil pack or that, just two screws and oil breather thing, and airbox, managed to squeeze it out, was also undoing the bolts on the manifold and forgot about the ones on the bottom so just put them back on. is really annoying, it turns over no problems but just wont start. any suggestions?
  2. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #2
    anyone?
  3. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #3
    because i didnt move the coilpack, do you think i couldve misplaced it or done something to annoy it
  4. Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.
    #4
    Check you haven`t knocked a wire/sensor off somewhere.
  5. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #5
    good shout chief, most likely coil pack im assuming? as realistically there isnt anything in the area of rocker cover that could effect the running of the engine. or is there?

    it was working one minute then took it off, then back on, and wouldnt start so hope its simple :Y:
  6. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #6
    Bit of a long shot, but you haven't knocked the fuel cut off switch whilst inside the engine bay have you?
  7. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #7
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jones91 View Post
    Bit of a long shot, but you haven't knocked the fuel cut off switch whilst inside the engine bay have you?
    iv pressed it a few times to see but it wont depress or press down, if you know what i mean, like i thought it was a button but when i press it it doesnt go down at all, iv tried when then car wouldnt start then pressed it again, but still no potato?
  8. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #8
    Is it pointing fully upwards? If not it won't work
  9. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #9
    yeh mate it is. fucking annoying because don't know what i couldve done
  10. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #10
    It is annoying mate, one day I spent £30 in taxis to get to work and back when my car wouldnt start, to find out it was the fuel cut off

    Im fairly sure by what u are saying, it's the fuelling at fault, is the fuel pump priming when u start it? If not, then you might of knocked a sensor to the pump
  11. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #11
    it doesnt sound any different from when iv tried to start it before mate, where is the pump anyway? does the fuel cut off look any different when its triggered?
  12. L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 45 2002 Citroen Saxo VTS
    #12
    You got the HT leads on the correct firing order?
  13. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #13
    are you getting a spark?
  14. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #14
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Simo7 View Post
    You got the HT leads on the correct firing order?
    mate i have only removed the rocker cover and the breather hose, seconds before this the car was working fine

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gandi699 View Post
    are you getting a spark?
    its turning over ?
  15. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #15
    The fuel cut off switch looks the same when on as when it's off, it's just sometimes knocked easily when relocated. Also, are they're any warning lights when starting?
  16. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #16
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jones91 View Post
    The fuel cut off switch looks the same when on as when it's off, it's just sometimes knocked easily when relocated. Also, are they're any warning lights when starting?
    engine management and battery plus brake?

    eml is always on tho

    EDIT: eml is always on startup i mean
  17. L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 45 2002 Citroen Saxo VTS
    #17
    Sorry mate, thought it might have been a 16v. Did you remove any multiplugs when you removed the cover?
  18. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #18
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Simo7 View Post
    Sorry mate, thought it might have been a 16v. Did you remove any multiplugs when you removed the cover?
    rocker cover, breather hose, and was unscrewing manifold bolts cuz car is loud but forgot there was 4 underneath so just put them back on again. fair dos i did take one of the bolts that holds the coil pack, and tried to push it and see if it would move, but it wouldnt so just put the bolt back
  19. L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 45 2002 Citroen Saxo VTS
    #19
    did you disturb the injector harness while working on the manifold?
  20. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Simo7 View Post
    did you disturb the injector harness while working on the manifold?
    where is that?
  21. Established Member Joined: Jun 2011 Bridgnorth (Shropshire) Posts: 2001 Jdm Dc2 Integra
    #21
    Will the car bump start at all, and have you checked all of your fuses?
  22. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #22
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jones91 View Post
    Will the car bump start at all, and have you checked all of your fuses?
    good shout iv not checked fuses, car was on driveway so not had a chance to bumpstart it, earlier on tho wen i was turning the car overit i quickly put it in gear and got clutch to biting point and the car would move, but dont think this is good for the car
  23. L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 45 2002 Citroen Saxo VTS
    #23
    The injectors each have a multiplug attached to them. It looks like a long plastic rail with 4 multiplugs on it, one for each injector, per cylinder, should be connected to the inlet manifold just behind and below the rocker cover!
  24. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Simo7 View Post
    The injectors each have a multiplug attached to them. It looks like a long plastic rail with 4 multiplugs on it, one for each injector, per cylinder, should be connected to the inlet manifold just behind and below the rocker cover!
    again though i dont think removing the rocker cover could have affected this, it could be the mother fucker of all luck, or unluck, but i doubt it. how is the coilpack connected to the engine, is it screwed on? im trying to think of anything i could have knocked or forgot to put back in, the cover was a bastard to put back in kuz of the two bung things inside the actual cover that had to line up with the holes, and the seal kept coming off at the back where the coil pack is.
  25. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 277 saxo vtr in silver uprated front end and full rem
    #25
    Not trying to call you thick or anything but have you plugged the coil pack back in as in the grey connector
  26. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #26
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davo5784 View Post
    Not trying to call you thick or anything but have you plugged the coil pack back in as in the grey connector
    i never removed the coilpack, where is the connector so i can check?
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #27
    take the plugs out, connect to them to the coil pack whilst its removed from the engine but plugged in. Then rest them on the rocker cover or something metal thats grounded and then crank it over - it'll sound strange as its got no compression with the plugs out but you'll soon see if they are sparking
  28. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 277 saxo vtr in silver uprated front end and full rem
    #28
    Its on top of the coil pack you have to take it off to get the rocker off m8 and I forgot to put mine back on it was like yours it would turn over but not start
  29. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davo5784 View Post
    Its on top of the coil pack you have to take it off to get the rocker off m8 and I forgot to put mine back on it was like yours it would turn over but not start
    there was just the oil breather thing over my rocker cover, i managed to wiggle the cover out without removing the coilpack, the wire goes from the airbox , to the oil breather, then away towards the ecu (behind it)????
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182
    #30
    Does the fuel pump prime?
  31. L-plater Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 45 2002 Citroen Saxo VTS
    #31
    What did you remove the cover for?
  32. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 blyth northumberland Posts: 260 saxo 1.1i desire and a vectra sri 140 estate
    #32
    take your fuel pipe off the inlet manifold turn car over it should pump out fuel then you will no if your getting fuel or not .
  33. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 277 saxo vtr in silver uprated front end and full rem
    #33
    This is the plug I am on about it plugs into the coil pack

  34. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by davo5784 View Post
    This is the plug I am on about it plugs into the coil pack

    beleive it or not but my dads mate works for AA, he came around and noticed that the plug had snapped off the coilpack, the exact on on the picture, i cant mentally comprehend how this happened as i was nowhere near touching that. so im taking its a new coilpack then?
  35. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #35
    can i use a coilpack from vtr, or does it have to be a furio one?
  36. Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2012 blyth northumberland Posts: 260 saxo 1.1i desire and a vectra sri 140 estate
    #36
    if it has a grey plug like yours yeah its fine to use
  37. Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 wolverhampton Posts: 277 saxo vtr in silver uprated front end and full rem
    #37
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DundeeUnited View Post
    beleive it or not but my dads mate works for AA, he came around and noticed that the plug had snapped off the coilpack, the exact on on the picture, i cant mentally comprehend how this happened as i was nowhere near touching that. so im taking its a new coilpack then?
    if its the coil pack end then just a new coil packbut if its the plug end then GOD NO'S

    sorry

    and i have a vtrand my coil pack is from the vts
  38. Established Member Joined: Nov 2010 Invergowrie Posts: 1006 Saxo VTR
    #38
    mines had black plug, got one anyway, PBT-GF30 was what was on a grey plug one a 02 plate vtr, i got a black plug one still PBT-GF30 from a V reg vtr, was piss easy job, thought it would be more technical,

    legends you all are