305mm brake kit up front

  1. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #1
    hi guys i have a vtr which is slightly modifed piper cam, piper vernier, lowered front, 16inch 206 gti alloys, 305 mm big brake kit upfront with standard saxo calipers , next mod is exhaust.

    what i would like to know is the 305mm brake setup going to work ok as in will i have better braking or not with standard calipers or would i need better calipers. the only thing i have noticed that im not sure about really is the brake pads are slightly larger so sit over the outside of the disc but will either be getting the brake pads machined down to fit properly or do i get bigger better calipers but then i guess it will be trial and error on what fits. the discs are two part bell and rotor. not sure on make as are second hand off another saxo.

    any help appreciated
  2. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90
    #2
    you have genuinely made my day
  3. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #3
    why that fella, the car came with them so why not
  4. West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S
    #4
    You will have to change calipers, which ones could actually accommodate those discs as an off the shelf/other pug/cit item I would have no idea, none that I've come across or certainly none that are frequently used by anyone else

    The discs on their own are useless to you
  5. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #5
    thats what i thought as calipers are small to use them properly, i gues 4 or 6 pot calipers would be better something like ap racing or even brembos off a 406. who else on here uses 305mm fronts.
  6. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #6
    Got any pics of the discs?
  7. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #7
    :there us no way on earth you have 305mm discs on standard calipers, saxos use 247 discs, 206 gti and other various models use 266mm brakes and 206 gti 180/306 gti6 use 283mm brakes, 406 v6 use around a 300mm disc but when fitted to a saxo you use 283mm discs iirc

    As said get some pics up
  8. Established Member Joined: Apr 2010 Norwich Posts: 1275 00 Silver 106GTi
    #8
    I swear i read in a thread ages ago that you went bought these 305mm discs?
  9. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2010 alton hampshire Posts: 348 97 mk1 vtr 85 LR 90
    #9
    the bigist brakes i no of on a saxo are this guys http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...=381894&page=9
    and his are 297mm so you have no chance
  10. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 kelso Posts: 762 106 gti
    #10
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    :there us no way on earth you have 305mm discs on standard calipers, saxos use 247 discs, 206 gti and other various models use 266mm brakes and 206 gti 180/306 gti6 use 283mm brakes, 406 v6 use around a 300mm disc but when fitted to a saxo you use 283mm discs iirc

    As said get some pics up
    Dont be too quick to knock him down i have standard calipers with 285mm discs on my saxo, it was a kit that GMC use to do years ago they just space the caliper out to fit the discs.

    I dont like it though so fitting hi specs lol
  11. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vts-dave View Post
    Dont be too quick to knock him down i have standard calipers with 285mm discs on my saxo, it was a kit that GMC use to do years ago they just space the caliper out to fit the discs.

    I dont like it though so fitting hi specs lol
    i did think think about spacer kits but he didnt mention them, on my bike i went from 160mm to 203mm with a step up kit, but how rare are they on saxos?? lol

    however he says "the discs are two part bell and rotor" which leads to to think hes either got better brakes than he thinks hes got or hes got 247mm 2 piece disc (if its possible) and someone has told him it is 305mm, hard one to work out from the description

    pics neededddd
  12. Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 kelso Posts: 762 106 gti
    #12
    true but its a saxo you never know lol
  13. Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2011 Milton Keynes Posts: 869 2000 Citroen Saxo 1.0L
    #13
    personally get up-rated calipers, your braking will improve so much with new calipers as the amount of extra stopping power you will gain will be huge as you will be getting a much bigger caliper, and then giving you more friction and thus more stopping power
  14. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #14
    i got them with the car and are two part bell and rotor. was told by bloke who owned car they were 305mm big but havent actually measured to confirm, the calipers sit on a machined block to make them fit. will get some pics up asap and measure to make sure. the calipers are definately standard saxo ones for sure. as are the same as my 306 xs-s ones. will get back to yuo all today with info. what calipers would be best suited anyway to such a big disc.
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #15
    There are more issues than caliper to use, you will have to use 16"
    Wheels or over to fit that disc in. The best suited
    Caliper for that disc would be a 4/6 pot caliper that was designed to work with that size disc
  16. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #16
    right i am now going to upset or offend a few people now, the 305mm big brake kit on standard saxo vtr calipers has now definately been done and i have the proof. items fitted are standard saxo vtr calipers, spacer block made to fit, 2 part bell and rotor grooved discs, 16 inch 206 gti alloys. pics to follow guys, dont judge me by the condition of items or pics as will all be refurbed before final fitting and setup. pics to follow in a min
  17. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
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    so there it is a 305mm big brake kit with standard calipers fitted to a saxo vtr, are you now going to tell me that it cant be done
  18. Newbie Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 29
    #18
    it defo can there was a set of these for sale on ebay a while back.
  19. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #19
    i know i brought that kit for my 306 xs-s aswell so yes it can be done and also will be done on my 306 xs-s. so thats 2 305mm brake kits on similar cars
  20. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #20
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tom_lloyd_4 View Post
    you have genuinely made my day
    hi tom so have i made your day even better now then doh. .......... doh
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #21
    Fancy selling the discs?
  22. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #22
    nope. lol
  23. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #23
    you like then
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR
    #24
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blacksaxodevil View Post
    you like then
    The discs are ok but the whole setup wouldn't do a very good job of stopping my car for sure.
  25. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #25
    thats why i need o work out what calipers will fit the setup. was thinking i might need 4 or 6 pot calipers but smallish ones to fit under the 16"s as the standard calipers are quite tight room wise as it is
  26. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #26
    looks like thy could be alcon or tarox discs i have
  27. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Torquay Posts: 2930 MK2 saxo vtr
    #27
    The image shut you guys up a bit. .


    I would say get some decent pads and fulid flush and she'll be good to go.

    Good luck replacing them discs when time comes, look pricey.
  28. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #28
    yes i know discs are priey but i can always go back to standard as just the spacer plate would need removing then i could fit the brembo max discs i have 2 sets of just if i fancy going back. seems like i have a never ending supply of parts mounting up in my workshop. but hey for the sake of buying stuff cheap why not keep it. i mean the 2 sets of brembo max vtr discs cost me £1.98 for both sets brand new, they retail at like £98 each set so i saved like £194 on those so why not keep them.
  29. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #29
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Heftydanielson View Post
    The image shut you guys up a bit. .


    I would say get some decent pads and fulid flush and she'll be good to go.

    Good luck replacing them discs when time comes, look pricey.


    i knew it would shut up a few sceptics but as can be seen its been done so never say never again. next thing they will say is i dont own a 306 xs-s, a saxo vtr and an evo 4.

    well guess again guys i do
  30. Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2009 Torquay Posts: 2930 MK2 saxo vtr
    #30
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blacksaxodevil View Post
    yes i know discs are priey but i can always go back to standard as just the spacer plate would need removing then i could fit the brembo max discs i have 2 sets of just if i fancy going back. seems like i have a never ending supply of parts mounting up in my workshop. but hey for the sake of buying stuff cheap why not keep it. i mean the 2 sets of brembo max vtr discs cost me £1.98 for both sets brand new, they retail at like £98 each set so i saved like £194 on those so why not keep them.
    I'll order 2 pairs then.
  31. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #31
    i ordered them off ebay, lol the bloke had three set first set went for like £24 odd and then i was only bidder on the other two sets he also had some mintex pads but they went for £15 a set. i was as shocked as he was when they sold for less than a £1 a set. lol.


    bargain hunters ahoy
  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #32
    You said they were under standard calipers its not our fault if you fail to mention the massive spacer that's been bolted on lol calipers do look tiny mind, however learn something new everyday
  33. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #33
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blacksaxodevil View Post
    i knew it would shut up a few sceptics but as can be seen its been done so never say never again. next thing they will say is i dont own a 306 xs-s, a saxo vtr and an evo 4.

    well guess again guys i do
    Lol just seen the comment I can quite believe someone owns a 306 xs, vtr and a evo 4, well I own a cammed throttle bodied vts, mk2 vtr and a BMW m-sport coupe, also I have a bigger house and get more pocket money so neh
  34. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #34
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blacksaxodevil View Post
    i knew it would shut up a few sceptics but as can be seen its been done so never say never again. next thing they will say is i dont own a 306 xs-s, a saxo vtr and an evo 4.

    well guess again guys i do
    lol

    Also i dont see what the fasination is with what you have, your essentially running bigger discs with the wrong calipers.... which isnt a good thing. Well done you have a greater rotational mass and pretty much no extra braking force
  35. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #35
    just letting people know that 305mm brakes can be done calipers will be upgraded anyway but just thought i would put it out there
  36. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #36
    Yes it can be done as there is kit's for sale i think most people knew that, im assuming people have got confused with this as the 305mm disc you have is a 2 piece, the braking surface isnt much different to standard hence the use of a standard caliper and pads.

    I think people are assuming you were using a 305mm disc setup the same as the likes of a 283mm were the actually braking surface is increased a noticeable amount as there a solid 1 piece disc.
  37. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #37
    must people on here obviously didnt know it can be done as this thread has proved it
  38. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #38
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by blacksaxodevil View Post
    must people on here obviously didnt know it can be done as this thread has proved it
    actually look back a page and see where me and another member are talking about using caliper spacers

    and already mentioned, but ill mention it again.... we assumed you had them under standard calipers, attached to a standard strut, mounted in a standard way how hard is that to understand you didnt mention they are standard calipers but also using 30mm mounts then its believable
  39. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #39
    Not really as only a few people replied.....

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by willsy View Post
    You will have to change calipers, which ones could actually accommodate those discs as an off the shelf/other pug/cit item I would have no idea, none that I've come across or certainly none that are frequently used by anyone else

    The discs on their own are useless to you
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffchiz View Post
    :there us no way on earth you have 305mm discs on standard calipers, saxos use 247 discs, 206 gti and other various models use 266mm brakes and 206 gti 180/306 gti6 use 283mm brakes, 406 v6 use around a 300mm disc but when fitted to a saxo you use 283mm discs iirc

    As said get some pics up
    And both of the above comments havnt taken into account the fact its a 2 part disc they assumed you ment the same 'style' as the usual 266 & 283mm. There basically for asthetics when used without 6/4/2pots, a 283mm brake setup should give better braking force than these. Granted they will cool alot better than standard. If you measure the braking surface someone will be able to tell you if/which bigger pad profile will fit and if/which caliper would be the best option (which will increase your braking effort)
  40. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #40
    If you measure the braking surface someone will be able to tell you if/which bigger pad profile will fit and if/which caliper would be the best option (which will increase your braking effort)

    many thanks for the first bit of useful info
  41. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #41
    Your welcome.

    Jeffchiz is a knob anyway absolute forum arsehole. And by all accounts stinks of piss accorfing to mandyslover so dont worry mate.
  42. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #42
    thats your opinion you obviously know each other quite well. i will get back to peeps about the braking area as i know the standard saxo pads sit over the outer edge of discs by a few mm. so was either going to get them machined down or buy new calpers 4 pot or 6 pot and new pads to fit the calipers
  43. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2007 Someones Bumhole Posts: 5721 Mk2 16v Desire
    #43
    Haha sorry mate he is my housemate.....

    There should be some 4 pot calipers that can take a pad thats a larger surface area than standard but obviously a different shape so it dosent over hang the disc surface.
  44. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #44
    thats what im hoping to find. lol housemates huh. pain in the arse sometimes but also good for a few things like supplying untold drunken laughs. jump starting your car in the freezing british weather etc etc........

    with the calipers 4 pot or 6 pot im just concerned about the clearance under my 206 gti rims as theres not much between them and calipers now.
  45. Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2011 surrey Posts: 397 saxo vtr mk1 mitsi evo 4 project
    #45
    i know alfa romeo had a 305mm brake setup with 4 pot calipers might have a look at them
  46. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #46
    Tbh mate, I'd just stick to a 266 or 283mm brake up grade saves a lot of faffing abut and a 266mm set up should be more than enough to stop any saxo, not being a knob now but I wouldn't get too hung up on keeping the 305mm discs purely because they are big , I had the gti6 283mm brakes in my gti and I had a lot of confidence in them, felt awesome compared to OEM Saxo brakes