1 more problem with this conversion

1. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #1 21st March 2012, 08:15

   Well its running, it idles fine etc. But noticed the needle on the temp gauge doesn't move off minimum temp. But after a minute or so the temp warning light comes on (needle still doesn't move). When the temp sensor is unplugged the warning light goes off and needle goes quarter way up so I'm guessing the dial works fine so its going to be a faulty temp sensor?
2. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #2 21st March 2012, 08:42

   Don`t know what your clutch/gearbox problem is,but the gauge issue is almost deffo the temp sensor on the thermostat housing.About £15.00 from eurocarparts or raid a scrapyard.

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3. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #3 21st March 2012, 09:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by stevo67 Don`t know what your clutch/gearbox problem is,but the gauge issue is almost deffo the temp sensor on the thermostat housing.About £15.00 from eurocarparts or raid a scrapyard.

   Cheers mate, we thought it was that. Luckily we have sourced a new one for free but just waiting for someone to bring it
   
   Next step find out what's up with clutch/gearbox/release bearing
4. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #4 7th April 2012, 18:01

   back to this again. tried new temp sensor. no different. soon as ignition is on the temp needle shoots to half way point then slowly drops to dead.
5. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #5 7th April 2012, 18:27

   Try one off a Berlingo(srs)thats what i`ve got in my saxo.Citroen ordered me a new sensor but got the wrong 1 in & all they had was a Berlingo one in stock & it works perfectly.
6. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #6 7th April 2012, 18:53

   whats it look like? its a strange one. the loom is from a different car than the engine. but how the loom looks that goes to the sensor is theres 2 wires. but on the plug looks like there should be 3 wires that go into it. the sensor itself has 3 pins. i got one from scrap yard other week and that was the same, 2 wires going to a 3 pin sensor. so i took it, did no different. tried a new one today, still the same
7. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

   #7 7th April 2012, 19:32

   it cant be the dials themselfs could it as it does move and all others are ok. the full loom and ecu has been changed but iv used my old set of dials. my dials where a single plug ecu (but the phase 2 dials) and iv put in a 3 plug ecu and full loom
8. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

   #8 7th April 2012, 19:44

   Yours look anything like this mate?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Be...item1e6c64e95a
   
   Thats a 3 pin off a Berlingo.
9. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

   #9 7th April 2012, 19:44

   Be the one right next to the thermostat iirc.. blue?
10. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #10 7th April 2012, 23:08

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    Originally Posted by stevo67 Yours look anything like this mate?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-Be...item1e6c64e95a Thats a 3 pin off a Berlingo.

    yup thats the correct one.
    
    iv dared my self to drive the car (new engine to me so was a risk but whent to pick a mate up to help me with gearbox issues) that asside the heat of the engine is fine. heaters temp seems how it should be. fans not kicking in though and my temp dial was dead, guarantee if i start it tomorrow when engine is cold the temp dial will be half way. its as though its working the wrong way round. been told it could be an eart or it could be that i need to buy some vtr dials as im running 1.4 dials on this vtr engine and ecu
11. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #11 8th April 2012, 10:45

    do i need vtr dials will that sort the problem?
12. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #12 8th April 2012, 10:54

    Well are they different?
13. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #13 8th April 2012, 11:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mcjacko1987 yup thats the correct one. iv dared my self to drive the car (new engine to me so was a risk but whent to pick a mate up to help me with gearbox issues) that asside the heat of the engine is fine. heaters temp seems how it should be. fans not kicking in though and my temp dial was dead, guarantee if i start it tomorrow when engine is cold the temp dial will be half way. its as though its working the wrong way round. been told it could be an eart or it could be that i need to buy some vtr dials as im running 1.4 dials on this vtr engine and ecu

    Running the 1.4 ecu won`t help matters,the dials should be okay.
14. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #14 8th April 2012, 13:44

    im running vtr ecu and loom mate. just 1.4 clocks. and Prickle the only difference is the vtr ones have an extra 20mph
15. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #15 8th April 2012, 18:59

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    Originally Posted by mcjacko1987 im running vtr ecu and loom mate. just 1.4 clocks. and Prickle the only difference is the vtr ones have an extra 20mph

    Aah well that shouldn`t be a problem then mate,i`d put your problem down to being a faulty sensor then mate.
16. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #16 8th April 2012, 19:43

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    Originally Posted by stevo67 Aah well that shouldn`t be a problem then mate,i`d put your problem down to being a faulty sensor then mate.

    tried 3 sensors. one that came with engine, one from scrappers, and a brand new one
17. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #17 8th April 2012, 19:53

    I`m running out of ideas now,erm go over the wiring loom & your earths.The only other suggestion is to try another set of clocks mate.
18. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #18 8th April 2012, 19:55

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    Originally Posted by stevo67 I`m running out of ideas now,erm go over the wiring loom & your earths.The only other suggestion is to try another set of clocks mate.

    yup thats all i can think of now is earth or clocks.
    
    the loom defiantly pics up the sensor because if i turn the ignition on a cold engine and the needle goes to half way, if i disconnect the sensor the needle drops dead
19. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #19 8th April 2012, 20:28

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    Originally Posted by mcjacko1987 yup thats all i can think of now is earth or clocks. the loom defiantly pics up the sensor because if i turn the ignition on a cold engine and the needle goes to half way, if i disconnect the sensor the needle drops dead

    For the needle to shoot to 1/2 way like that would indicate a voltage surge IE a dodgy earth.

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20. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #20 8th April 2012, 20:30

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    Originally Posted by stevo67 For the needle to shoot to 1/2 way like that would indicate a voltage surge IE a dodgy earth.

    only thing now really isnt it hmmmmmmmmm i hate looking for earths. il check them tonight or maybe tomorrow......
    il let you know how i get on mate
21. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #21 10th April 2012, 12:58

    stevo where are all the earth locations? am i missing any?
    2 on interior in the footwells on the wing. starter motor, gearbox, chassis arm near the lights. off top of my head without looking at the car thats all i can think of
22. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #22 10th April 2012, 16:39

    I think you`ve covered it mate,the only other 2 are behind the plastic panels each side above the parcel shelf.They`re for the rear lights but wouldn`t hurt you to check them being french wiring anythings possible mate.

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23. mcjacko1987 Established Member Joined: Feb 2011 Rochdale Posts: 1896 mk2 saxo 1.4 furio in possi blue

    #23 10th April 2012, 17:03

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    Originally Posted by stevo67 I think you`ve covered it mate,the only other 2 are behind the plastic panels each side above the parcel shelf.They`re for the rear lights but wouldn`t hurt you to check them being french wiring anythings possible mate.

    cheers buddy