Lacquer gone wrong?

1. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

   #1 28th March 2012, 13:55

   I've just put a coat of lacquer on my alloys and the paint has gone weird. Like a cross hatch effect in some areas as though it's lifted the paint. Has something gone terribly wrong?
   
   Cheers
2. user_27068 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 York Posts: 2254 Ibiza Bocanegra 1.4TSI DSG

   #2 28th March 2012, 14:00

   pics would help. but it sounds like its reacted. what did u do before laquering? an what did you clean the wheels with before hand?
3. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

   #3 28th March 2012, 14:33

   I gently sanded the primer down and I cleaned it with spirits beforehand. It has happened on all my alloys aswell as my badges and chevrons. Can't see it from a distance but it's certainly not smooth like it was without the primer :/
   
   My Tapatalk won't let me upload anymore images on my phone...
4. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

   #4 28th March 2012, 14:37

   
   
   Kill me now -_-
5. user_27068 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 York Posts: 2254 Ibiza Bocanegra 1.4TSI DSG

   #5 28th March 2012, 14:37

   sounds like you haven't cleaned the white spirits off properly
6. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

   #6 28th March 2012, 14:38

   I didn't clean my badges or chevrons with spirits yet it's made that effect on everything I've sprayed. Might try build a thick coat then attempt to sand it smooth or something
7. user_48673 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2010 Southern Ireland Posts: 172 02 1.1 forte, 02 vtr

   #7 28th March 2012, 14:39

   i would leave them, they look class!
8. MuZiZZle Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2011 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 7779 Phase 2 VTS , E61 M5

   #8 28th March 2012, 14:42

   that's bizarre
9. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

   #9 28th March 2012, 14:42

   Alloy
   
   
   
   Mirror cap
   
   
   
   Badge
   
   
   
   I suppose I could say i meant to do it
10. umbro Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 207

    #10 28th March 2012, 14:45

    time to start again, you will need to sand down and sand down the paint until its smooth as its reacted
11. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #11 28th March 2012, 14:46

    Reacted with what? I don't get it
    
    I'm assuming it's the enamel spray paint and the lacquer. I got the more expensive lacquer when I should have gotten the enamel lacquer. Costly mistake if that's what's happened...
12. umbro Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 207

    #12 28th March 2012, 14:48

    lacquer has reacted with the paint/possibly with the spirits you used
13. holdawayt Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2010 Stourbridge Posts: 7338 Nissan 200sx S14a

    #13 28th March 2012, 14:48

    Probably used the wrong type of lacquer for the paint.
14. umbro Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 207

    #14 28th March 2012, 14:50

    can be a few things, can be the spirits you cleaned the parts with, can be the paint wasn't dried enough, wrong lacquer for the paint
15. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #15 28th March 2012, 14:51

    
16. umbro Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 207

    #16 28th March 2012, 14:53

    proper panel wipe should be used and not white spirits aswell
17. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #17 28th March 2012, 14:55

    Just going to put them on and write my car off.
18. Gandi699 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 9100 Amazon green VTR 16v, Inferno RS clio 182

    #18 28th March 2012, 15:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sinque Just going to put them on and write my car off.

    That makes sense. Make sure your take your cyanide pills too
19. f13sta Established Member Joined: Sep 2010 loughborough Posts: 2229 1988 ford fiesta mk2 1.4- 2001 black saxo furio (d

    #19 28th March 2012, 20:46

    what undercoat did you use? that looks like the effect you get when you paint over hammerite,
    atlease it's not a silicon reaction.
    sounds daft but it looks like the oposite of when the paint cracks the undercoat shrinks under the layers.
20. marcusd Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2009 warrington Posts: 7551 posi blue mk2 2003 vtr

    #20 28th March 2012, 20:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by f13sta what undercoat did you use? that looks like the effect you get when you paint over hammerite, atlease it's not a silicon reaction. sounds daft but it looks like the oposite of when the paint cracks the undercoat shrinks under the layers.

    dam it beat me too it. exactly what it looks like with hammerite paint.
21. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #21 28th March 2012, 20:58

    That's exactly what I did. I painted over sanded Hammerite:
    
    
    
    I've soaked them in laqcuer and somehow I've managed to make them look smooth. I'm not sure of its because I put so much lacquer on the paint started to run and has dried smooth but a miracle has occurred and as far as I can see nothing needs to be re-done!
22. jware92 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Colwyn Bay/Southend Posts: 608 Mk2 vts VXR engined astra

    #22 30th March 2012, 13:39

    Post some pics of em up now finished
23. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #23 30th March 2012, 16:10

    
24. Sinque Regular Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 362 Saxo 1.4 Furio

    #24 30th March 2012, 16:17

    
    
    
25. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #25 30th March 2012, 22:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sinque That's exactly what I did. I painted over sanded Hammerite: I've soaked them in laqcuer and somehow I've managed to make them look smooth. I'm not sure of its because I put so much lacquer on the paint started to run and has dried smooth but a miracle has occurred and as far as I can see nothing needs to be re-done!

    With Hammerite you need to remove every last trace of it before using another kind of paint.Down to the bare metal I would have used an used an electrical drill with a wire brush.Then worked through the grades of wet/dry paper,after that i`d have used a high build primer.(thats my way)
26. user_34090 Established Member Joined: May 2009 Devizes Posts: 2280 Blue Clio 172 Cup

    #26 30th March 2012, 22:02

    the first pics looks like when you paint a ceiling
27. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #27 30th March 2012, 22:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by piranhamatt looks like when you paint a ceiling

    Artex ftw lol.
28. Bedford126 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2010 Morley, Leeds Posts: 8469 Civic ep3 type r powered by TDI NORTH

    #28 30th March 2012, 22:19

    its just the solvent in the white paint you used that has re-activated the hammerite.
    
    You should have used a isolator or a Stain block paint before you painted them white.
    
    Only way to sort them now is strip / dip / blast and start again.
29. Carlvtr88 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320

    #29 1st April 2012, 12:22

    Di you leave plenty of drying time and not do it in heat ? Looks similar to a jobbie done in excessive heat....
30. user_20080 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Dec 2007 smurfland. Posts: 17346 Ex saxo owner.

    #30 1st April 2012, 16:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Carlvtr88 Di you leave plenty of drying time and not do it in heat ? Looks similar to a jobbie done in excessive heat....

    Its the result of 2 different types of paint reacting with one another mate,hence using an isolator paint or stripping back to bare metal.
31. Gareth_R Established Member Joined: Mar 2010 Basildon, Essex Posts: 1042 Citroen AX VTS

    #31 1st April 2012, 19:36

    You've used two incompatible paints. I had this using plastic primer and halfords car paint. There will be air in the crackles so if you sand down then you'll end up with ridges in the paint. You have to sand aaaaaall the paint off and then start again with all the same paints
32. Carlvtr88 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320

    #32 1st April 2012, 23:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevo67 Its the result of 2 different types of paint reacting with one another mate,hence using an isolator paint or stripping back to bare metal.

    ah, ok I saw the orange peel effect once if you know what I mean. I thought it might have been that at first. On a second glance it looks more rough, like that fancy plaster you can do on your ceiling.
33. Pricklep Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 31279 Citroen Saxo VTS, S60 D5

    #33 1st April 2012, 23:22

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by t-dogg i would leave them, they look class!

    They really dont! looks like a fookin mess!
    
    Start again
34. user_57105 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 york, acomb Posts: 287 106 gti

    #34 2nd April 2012, 23:34

    what lacquer you use?
35. user_57105 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2012 york, acomb Posts: 287 106 gti

    #35 2nd April 2012, 23:44

    what lacquer was it?
36. JR-Model-Tech L-plater Joined: Jul 2011 Willenhall - West Midlands Posts: 70 Citreon Saxo 1.0

    #36 3rd April 2012, 18:01

    didnt think you could use normal laquer on enamel
    
    off topic i paint a few diecast cars with enamel paint and i used normal laquer it crazed like that
37. darren459 Newbie Joined: Aug 2011 Norwich Posts: 29 Citroen/Saxo 1.4i

    #37 5th April 2012, 14:35

    lacquer and the paint seem to have worked against each other making it crack, check you have used the right lacquer and make sure there is nothing on them before you try again.